I understand there is no mandatory firearms registration in NJ, but is there a de-facto registry?

 

Given the information collected in the FID, P2P, COE (SP-634) and Voluntary Form of Registration (SP-650) process and forms, I'm curious if this information is compiled into a database (e.g. owner, make, model, serial #) after they are sent to Trenton?

 

 

Do not fill out the Voluntary Registration Form. The others do not ask what guns you possess. Newly acquired Handguns while a NJ resident will be put in a database. The COE info is not given to the .gov.

 

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Do not fill out the Voluntary Registration Form. The others do not ask what guns you possess. Newly acquired Handguns while a NJ resident will be put in a database. The COE info is not given to the .gov. Sent from my DROID4 using Tapatalk 2

The advice I was given when I moved to the state was that the voluntary form was a handy way to record model and serial number information...which you then put in your safety deposit box.

 

What you don't want to do is turn the form back in to the police after you fill it out.

Regardless there is a registry...

 

All FFL's hold the 4473 and bound books......  when they go out of business they must turn them in.

 

No matter what....if you go through a dealer and if someone has enough time, they can find whom has what firearm.

 

There *IS* a registry per se.

 

Same with face to face COE, they can and will if need be track whom has what and how it was dispensed to whomever.

how long are we required to keep COE's? also.....what if something like sandy destroyed your records?

If you insure your guns, your Insurance company has the info. I don't know that they would put up a fight against the entity that regulates them (i.e. government).
 

Not every gun is registered, since not every gun went through "the system".  Lots of Korea, WW2 and WW1 Vets brought back War souvenirs in their duffle bags.  My Dad brought back a Luger and his .45 Colt along with a duffle bag full of Mauser actions.  Lots of these guns were willed to offspring, and most were simply "passed-down" to offspring by the widows.  Since there isn't any mandatory registration in NJ, I've never registered anything my Mom gave me.  Now she's dead and the estate is settled long ago.....

 

What's interesting to note on SOME of the forum member's signatures is a complete list of everything they have, published on a public forum...  So they didn't have to fill-out the paperwork, lol!

 

As to FFL's and records, well, let's just say I know of a FFL who stored all of his records about 2 feet off the floor of his shop.  And then 4 1/2 FEET of brackish water from Sandy made a visit.  So IF he ever sold something in the past to a radical, spy, or a terrorist, eh, good luck trying to peel the papers apart.........those bound books sure soaked up a ton of water and the ink ran outta town, lol!

 

In any event, a lot of WORK would be required to comb through enough records to be able to actually make it worthwhile, which is why the Feds don't bother trying to prosecute those stupid enough to lie on the forms (or in some cases, NOT), and that's why this issue gets so much "ink" on the interwebs.......

 

Dave

Behind the trigger since '67

COE?

COE?

 

COE=Certificate Of Eligibility 

 

The 1-page form where you have to say "NO" to like the 7 famous things:  Drunk, Doper, Fugitive from justice, Mental Whack Job, Wife Beating, and you don't want to overthrow the Goobermint (they should leave that one off the form by this point, lol), etc.  2 copies, one to seller and one to buyer.  NONE to Cops.  Only good to transfer long guns, NOT pistolas!

 

Dave

If you insure your guns, your Insurance company has the info. I don't know that they would put up a fight against the entity that regulates them (i.e. government).

 

Not necessarily.  NRA insurance, for instance, only requires you to list the more valuable guns...I think the cutoff may be $1500.  Anything worth less is covered by the aggregate insurance amount, but they don't have any specific info on them.  Hence the importance of keeping model/serial number records somewhere safe. 

my understanding is that the nics check is run at time of purchase, not to check to see if one can purchase.

 

 if you truly think that no records are being kept of those nics checks, you need to take the other pill and wake up. they may be following the letter of the law, and destroying the actual record in the alloted time.....but it's almost certain that copies have been made beforehand.

my understanding is that the nics check is run at time of purchase, not to check to see if one can purchase.

 

 if you truly think that no records are being kept of those nics checks, you need to take the other pill and wake up. they may be following the letter of the law, and destroying the actual record in the alloted time.....but it's almost certain that copies have been made beforehand.

 

No firearm information is ever given during a NICS check.  The check is on the acquirer, to see if they are not a prohibited person.

If you insure your guns, your Insurance company has the info. I don't know that they would put up a fight against the entity that regulates them (i.e. government).

 

Really? Mine simply wants declared value for the whole, and only wants specifics on anything over $2k.

 

 

Do not fill out the Voluntary Registration Form. The others do not ask what guns you possess. Newly acquired Handguns while a NJ resident will be put in a database. The COE info is not given to the .gov. Sent from my DROID4 using Tapatalk 2

Ha! Given the depth of Fed spying on everything rest assured the feds have permanent records of every gun bought in stores in the last ten years for sure.