The links I referenced are not from the old federal AWB. That is right out of the current NFA handbook from the ATF on acceptable ways to permanantly attach a muzzle device. There is no NJ specific info out there which is why we tend to follow the ATFs ways of permanantly attached devices.

Yeah I see that but to me, that article is addressing over all barrel length. I dunno..whatever.

Yeah I see that but to me, that article is addressing over all barrel length. I dunno..whatever.

 

It is, but at the same time its also addressing the ways that the ATF sees attaching a muzzle device as "permanent".  As there is no NJ definition of permanent (that Im aware of), we then have to look at what the ATF deems as permanent. 

It is, but at the same time its also addressing the ways that the ATF sees attaching a muzzle device as "permanent".  As there is no NJ definition of permanent (that Im aware of), we then have to look at what the ATF deems as permanent. 

This..

While there is no definition of permanent, there is no mention of requiring it either. Lets be honest here whether you use a set screw threaded and grinded off flush vs a blind pin or silver solder, if a leo wants to remove it in their workshop, they can. Nothing is permanent.

A couple things to consider.

 

The BATF is not interested in what you are attaching to the barrel. They are only interested in making a single tube longer than 16". So it really isnt even considered permenantly attached as a seperate item, its what they consider is needed to make the tube a single piece of metal. It would not matter to them if you used a cannon barrel as long as you attached it in a way to make it one single piece of metal longer than 16" as to not be NFA.

 

To meet the ATF criteria, many people forget or overlook the clause that says if you can remove it with normal hand tools, it is not considered to have been permenant.

 

So in my personal opinion, the ATF information is probably safe to use. But in my view, a properly done blind pin qualifies as a method to make an attached device permanant for NJ. Consider that if it did not, then all pinned stocks would not be compliant. You cant say its permenant at one end and not the other.

 

 

This is not legal advice, that should be aquired from an attourney.

Well stated!

Yeah I see that but to me, that article is addressing over all barrel length. I dunno..whatever.

 

 

Yeah, it is addressing overall barrel length. You achieve a compliant overall barrel length by PERMANENTLY ATTACHING a muzzle device. It is a legal guideline on what constitutes a permanent attachment. NJ COULD argue that the BATFE solution is not compliant with NJ law, but they'd have to show you some technical details why, and they don't have any and the law isn't written in a way where they could easily claim that it is entirely forbidden. 

I see what you are saying. The majority of people are saying if you don't weld over the pin/screw or use silver solder it is not NJ legal citing BATF rules for NFA compliance. If this is true, that would mean everyone in NJ who owns a Stag Arms "NJ compliant" rifle would be a criminal since they only press fit a pin on the muzzle brakes and do not use a weld on top. How could this be?

I see what you are saying. The majority of people are saying if you don't weld over the pin/screw or use silver solder it is not NJ legal citing BATF rules for NFA compliance. If this is true, that would mean everyone in NJ who owns a Stag Arms "NJ compliant" rifle would be a criminal since they only press fit a pin on the muzzle brakes and do not use a weld on top. How could this be?

It is not the only way, it is just a strongly defensible way. You can put yours on with bubblegum if you are comfortable going to court with that.

 

As a purchaser of the stag, you can point at the ffl and stag. Stag can point at the fact they got their method approved during the federal awb.

 

That's a whole different deal than a DIY job.

all that matters is what the njsp accept.  They accept pin or weld or both

all that matters is what the njsp accept.  They accept pin or weld or both

 

Where did you find this info at?