Anyone use it, and is it legal in NJ? I see some but they appear to be hollow points. I know hollow points are legal in the home but apparently not legal moving from one home to another. 

 

Would you recommend it for home defense (i.e. since it does not penetrate walls)?

Mostly used for shooting steel in matches and stuff.... Less likely to bounce back at ya....

 

I do have some 9mm for sale in the marketplace ( shameless plug)

I have it in my HD guns, they are HP.  Got them from these people:

 

http://www.customcartridge.com/

Thanks. Upon further reading I think I'll just stick with Hornady critical defense. The last thing I want is an armed criminal getting a graze wound then shooting back with hollow points. 

Thanks. Upon further reading I think I'll just stick with Hornady critical defense. The last thing I want is an armed criminal getting a graze wound then shooting back with hollow points. 

Always anxious to learn.  What reading has changed your mind?

Always anxious to learn.  What reading has changed your mind?

 

http://www.thegunzone.com/quantico-wounding.html

 

This is a discussion by the FBI.

 

 

 

Since the highest handgun velocities generally do not exceed 1400-1500 feet per second (fps) at the muzzle, reliable fragmentation could only be achieved by constructing a bullet so frangible as to eliminate any reasonable penetration. Unfortunately, such a bullet will break up too fast to penetrate to vital organs. The best example is the Glaser Safety Slug, a projectile designed to break up on impact and generate a large but shallow temporary cavity. Fackler, when asked to estimate the survival time of someone shot in the front mid-abdomen with a Glaser slug, responded, "About three days, and the cause of death would be peritonitis."14

 

 

The last paragraph is what summed it up for me:

 

Kinetic energy does not wound. Temporary cavity does not wound. The much discussed "shock" of bullet impact is a fable and "knock down" power is a myth. The critical element is penetration. The bullet must pass through the large, blood bearing organs and be of sufficient diameter to promote rapid bleeding. Penetration less than 12 inches is too little, and, in the words of two of the participants in the 1987 Wound Ballistics Workshop, "too little penetration will get you killed." 42^,43 Given desirable and reliable penetration, the only way to increase bullet effectiveness is to increase the severity of the wound by increasing the size of hole made by the bullet. Any bullet which will not penetrate through vital organs from less than optimal angles is not acceptable. Of those that will penetrate, the edge is always with the bigger bullet.44

When i shoot steel I am getting nailed all the time by "fragments" of bullets. Kind of counterintuitive that fraggible ammo would splatter around less? Is it because it is softer ?

 

My worst fear is a frag bouncing sideways of a wall and into the side of my safety goggles. I always try to be looking down range when shooters are going. I get hit often in the head with frags.

For defensive use, Gary Roberts' list of tested duty loads is the way to go.  These loads have shown in both controlled tests and through real use by LE agencies to provide sufficient penetration and expantion the be effective.

 

http://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?4337-Service-Caliber-Handgun-Duty-and-Self-Defense-Ammo

 

Notice that Critical Defense is not on the list.  There are no reliable tests showing the load to have penetration specified by the FBI protocol.

For defensive use, Gary Roberts' list of tested duty loads is the way to go. These loads have shown in both controlled tests and through real use by LE agencies to provide sufficient penetration and expantion the be effective.

 

http://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?4337-Service-Caliber-Handgun-Duty-and-Self-Defense-Ammo

 

Notice that Critical Defense is not on the list. There are no reliable tests showing the load to have penetration specified by the FBI protocol.

True. How about Critical Duty? That one supposedly is up to spec. I see it's on the list.

When i shoot steel I am getting nailed all the time by "fragments" of bullets. Kind of counterintuitive that fraggible ammo would splatter around less? Is it because it is softer ?

 

My worst fear is a frag bouncing sideways of a wall and into the side of my safety goggles. I always try to be looking down range when shooters are going. I get hit often in the head with frags.

Frangible bullets are a metal powder that is mixed with a binder and sintered.

 

When it fragments, it is into a powder. Shooting steel plates up close, it's like getting pelted in the face with sand. You definitely need eye protection, but it won't penetrate skin.

True. How about Critical Duty? That one supposedly is up to spec. I see it's on the list.

The 220 grain .45 Critical Duty is on the list so it's good to go.  Not the 9mm or .40.

By any chance are you an air marshal?