Here's a better idea. Maybe if the fop and pba got together and policed their own a little better these stories wouldn't exist. When a story appears about someone restricting someone's rights or using their power to abuse people it's a story worth reading. Whether its a teacher, politician or cop. It just happens a cops job puts them in a place where they have to use discretion on what they are allowed to do. As long as they continue to do the right thing they are fine. But when they choose to do what they want to do instead of what they are suppose to do then its a problem. The difference here is instead of looking at the story and trying to figure out how to improve what happened you get attacked. You get called a cop hater. They attempt to bully you. But isn't that the same thing that the people in the stories are doing?

 

I'm gonna walk away from this now because it's obviously not going anywhere. But here is a question.

When you look in your rear view mirror and see a cop behind you do you feel safer?

 

 

Safer ..... no.....  thankful to see him out and about.... yes

 

Paranoid..... NO

 

He is just another guy on the road doing a job.....  that is all.....  All he wants to do is do his job, and go home to his family too.....  that is all..... 

When you look in your rear view mirror and see a cop behind you do you feel safer? 

 

Nope i go fk what is he looking for...Just natural to do so...Even when you know the cop...HAHAHA... 

With all due respect to Shawn, he is trolling the forum. He is kept fed and happy my multitude of members, including blf. I have certainly done my part. In this case, it doesn't even seem to be Shawn bashing cops so much as he is baiting others to do it. And the buzzards swarm in and push the train off the rails.

 

All of this bickering confounds the topic at hand, which has some value in debating.

 

Personally, I think that no one should be legally permitted to come on to my private property and deface or destroy anything I own without due process. If I caught someone doing it, I'd call the police. It is troubling to the homeowner, I'm sure, to discover that the actor was his own pd. Who does he call now?

 

We don't know all the facts. We don't know all the circumstances. However, he is entitled to due process and notification before anyone (zoning enforcement, law enforcement or vandal) seizes or otherwise defaces his property.

 

Maybe he WAS notified. Maybe there WAS due process, and the shoddy reporting from The Blaze omitted it because it doesn't fit into their narrative.

 

We don't know. But, it doesn't mean there isn't value in debating what we do know about it.

 

Can we re-rail this train? Or lock it and keep it moving to the next catastrophe.

 Can we re-rail this train? Or lock it and keep it moving to the next catastrophe.

 

Here here!

The thing is in this case, one way or the other the police did something wrong, and therefore deserve to be called out on it. I think this thread provides a great example why many people distrust the police. It's not the fact that there is a police officer doing something wrong that's the problem, it's the fact despite a police officer doing something wrong, it's other wise good police officers feel the need to try to defend an officer that obviously did something wrong no mater how minor the actual incident was. How can you trust a group of people in a position of power that will not hold others in that group accountable for wrong actions.

 

 

As a side note, this case has nothing to do with the Second Amendment. Reading the original forum posts, it seems quite clear that the neighbor who started this whole thing, didn't do it because he was Anti-Second Amendment (though he might have been any way). That guy's neighbor was one of those angry old grumpy people that believes the world should conform to the way they want it and they will make your life miserable as hell in order to force you to conform to their ideas. For example that guy did not like kids playing in front of his house, so he set up the sprinkler system to face the street and made it activate by motion sensor. I don't believe it mattered what the sign said, that neighbor was going to complain. 

The thing is in this case, one way or the other the police did something wrong, and therefore deserve to be called out on it. I think this thread provides a great example why many people distrust the police. It's not the fact that there is a police officer doing something wrong that's the problem, it's the fact despite a police officer doing something wrong, it's other wise good police officers feel the need to try to defend an officer that obviously did something wrong no mater how minor the actual incident was. How can you trust a group of people in a position of power that will not hold others in that group accountable for wrong actions.

 

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Very well said.

Back on topic, The home owner was just on Fox news their was no order for the sign to be removed they did not even knock on his front door and ask for the sign to be moved. So it seems the township is says they ordered the officer to remove the sign because they have a 15ft sign rule from the curb..

 

They should have just asked him to move it Back... And i believe it is the zoning officers job to do this not the Police ?

 

The officer should have at least notified the homeowner that he was ordered to remove the sign..

 

I am going to speculate that the same officer removed the 3 other signs..

 

seems they are covering for the officer in my eyes..

I wonder if that 15' is enforced on all the politcal signs that people put in their front yard....

Is this really the topic for the week? Do we have nothing better to talk about?

 

Officer removes a sign within zoning parameters and somehow it's a sign of tyrannical government suppressing the American people's first amendment right. This is such a non-issue it doesn't deserve to make even the area's local paper. I think people are just looking for an excuse to be angry and it's a shame that (as made clear in this thread and others) LEOs here become the lighting rod of those frustrations.

 

People complain about inefficiency in government and waste of taxpayer money, then make semi-national news about petty stories like this...

Is this really the topic for the week? Do we have nothing better to talk about?

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You have to ask that in this place. This is the Cop Hater's mecca

How did this get about pba carda... this was quickly side railed.. holy crap...

<taking the Lord's name in vain>

 

Leave you children alone for a few days and all hell explodes.

 

To Quote Momma:

 

THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS!