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Gun rights group: NJ's government conspires to take away your rights

 

Louis C. Hochman/NJ.com By Louis C. Hochman/NJ.com 
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on October 15, 2013 at 11:15 AM, updated October 15, 2013 at 11:18 AM

 

 

 

"The three branches of NJ government will conspire against you, convict you of a felony and send you to prison." — NJ2AS on gun rights

HANOVER — When a gun rights group meets in Whippany Tuesday night, its members will hear from one of the state legislature's staunchest gun rights supporters — libertarian-leaning Republican Assemblyman Michael Patrick Carroll.

Amanda Brown/The Star-LedgerAssemblyman Michael Patrick Carroll.

"Contrary to popular belief, we do retain the right to both keep and carry firearms for lawful purposes," the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, which goes by the acronym NJ2AS, wrote in an event listing promoting the meeting. "That right is as valid here as it is anywhere else on the planet.

"However, what you must understand is that if you exercise that right, the three branches of NJ government will conspire against you, convict you of a felony and send you to prison."

The group is pushing for changes to New Jersey's gun laws — among the strictest in the country. And that makes Carroll a natural fit as a guest speaker.

For nearly two decades, Carroll has been the primary sponsor of always-unsuccessful Citizens Protection Act — which would require New Jersey to grant concealed-carry permits to anyone who demonstrates competence with a firearm, and who isn't otherwise prohibited from owning guns.

Carroll's Citizens Protection Act would bring New Jersey law closer to that in 40 other states. In those states, a concealed weapons permit must be issued if an applicant passes the necessary criteria.

In New Jersey, a concealed weapons permit can still be denied even if the prerequisite conditions are satisfied — an applicant for a concealed weapons permit must additionally show a "justifiable need" to his or her local police chief and then a Superior Court judge.

"Remember, this is the law already in 40 states," he told NJ.com late last year. "And Pennsylvania does not run red with blood any worse than New Jersey does."

The Citizens Protection Act has never made it out of the Assembly Law and Public Safety Committee. It never has.

Carroll has also previously introduced legislation (that also never made it out of committee) to eliminate a prohibition against purchasing more than one handgun in calendar month.

The incumbent Carroll's 25th District Assembly seat is also sought by independent Rebecca Feldman — a co-founder of the Morris Area Committee to Reduce Gun Violence, which was later absorbed by Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America. The groups have sought support for federal legislation that would require a criminal background check for every gun sold in America, would ban assault weapons and high-capacity magazines, and would make gun trafficking a federal crime.

 

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"Reducing gun violence is a local issue," Feldman told NJ.com earlier this year. "It's very relevant to anyone in any town who knows anyone affected by gun violence. And as soon as you know anyone it's happened to somebody you knew or loved, then you care."At tonight's event, NJ2AS Vice President James Kaleda will also speak.

 

The group said in its event listing New Jersey's government cracks down on guns "because the people of NJ ontinue to allow them to do so. *THAT* is the reason we exist and those are the conditions we must change."

"We must continue to build our membership and our influence until we overcome the obstacles imposed by NJ upon our RKBA (right to bear arms)," the group wrote.

Tuesday's event begins at 7:30 p.m., at the Whippany VFW on Route 10. Preregistration is being accepted online.

 

Nj literally violates the constitution with how impractical it is to get a conceal carry permit. If we ever become shall issue, you csn bet your ass that there will be many "forbidden zones".

Virginia Tech = mental heath problems

 

Columbine = mental heath problems

 

Aurora = mental heath problems

 

Newtown = mental heath problems

 

Let's address the core issue first.

Nj literally violates the constitution with how impractical it is to get a conceal carry permit. If we ever become shall issue, you csn bet your ass that there will be many "forbidden zones".

 

Frank Louse-- I mean Lautenberg will return from the dead; the sun will turn to a cold black cinder, before we get CC.

Virginia Tech = mental heath problems

 

Columbine = mental heath problems

 

Aurora = mental heath problems

 

Newtown = mental heath problems

 

Let's address the core issue first.

 And don't forget

Tucson = mental health problems

WNY = mental health problems

They want him gone very badly!!!!

 And don't forget

 

Thanks!

 

Virginia Tech = mental heath problems

 

Columbine = mental heath problems

 

Aurora = mental heath problems

 

Newtown = mental heath problems

 

Let's address the core issue first.

 

 

Gun ownership for reasons other than hunting = mental health problems. People afraid of overreach by federal government = mental health problems. Believing in the Bill of Rights = mental health problems.

 

Have no fear, the federal government is championing your concerns in a big way as we speak. You'll have to establish your mental health to the political satisfaction of the government very soon.

 

Mental health was the primary weapon of the Stazi and the Soviets. You will get what you are wishing for. It may not prevent 4000 children drowning in pools every year, but it might prevent 3 or 4 out of 100 people being killed in mass shootings each year.

  

 

 

 

Mental health was the primary weapon of the Stazi and the Soviets. You will get what you are wishing for. It may not prevent 4000 children drowning in pools every year, but it might prevent 3 or 4 out of 100 people being killed in mass shootings each year.

If 3-4% of the population is being killed in mass shootings every year, we may be living in nazi germany or soviet russia under stalin. That figure is a bit too high.

 

If 3-4% of the population is being killed in mass shootings every year, we may be living in nazi germany or soviet russia under stalin. That figure is a bit too high.

 

 

100 total people killed in mass shootings.

 

I was not speaking of fractions. If I was, 4000% of children would drown in pools.

  

 

Gun ownership for reasons other than hunting = mental health problems. People afraid of overreach by federal government = mental health problems. Believing in the Bill of Rights = mental health problems.

 

Have no fear, the federal government is championing your concerns in a big way as we speak. You'll have to establish your mental health to the political satisfaction of the government very soon.

 

Mental health was the primary weapon of the Stazi and the Soviets. You will get what you are wishing for. It may not prevent 4000 children drowning in pools every year, but it might prevent 3 or 4 out of 100 people being killed in mass shootings each year.

I don't disagree that a "mental health" based prohibition would be difficult--depending on who/how it is defined.  OTOH, with someone who has a history of ND, shooting car tires, hearing voices and paranoia about microwave radiation, I am not comfortable with that guy being able to obtain a firearm (or a secret clearance).  I would hope that there are some mental health conditions we would all agree that would constitute a bright line for prohibition.

 

If it gets to the point where ideas like self-protection or a belief that government power is derived from the consent of the governed are considered mental health issues, that would be problematic.