Already, having been in Fl 3 days, and having talked to old diving friends and at my favorite range, down here, I've had several people tell me "move down, here ASAP!!!"  They can't believe the bureaucracy NJ requires to own firearms, especially hand guns.

 

It can't/won't happen in the near future, and probably not until well after I'd already completed that NJ bureaucracy and acquired my FID card and P2Ps (and the inventory itself. ). But what happens to all those NJ docs if, once acquired, I do choose to move out of state, permanently? Am I obliged by law to file "change of addresses" or simply surrender the docs to the local chief? Do I need to file for "cancellation" of the docs?

 

PK90...any insights?

 

Thanks.

 

 

You have no obligation to do anything with your guns or documents. You may want to file a change of address on your FID with you FL address.

Put it in a bag of dog pooh and send it back

 

Put it in a bag of dog pooh and send it back

 

 

Flaming bag of dog shit.

ritual fire?

Shoot it

I moved to Fl 2 months ago. I still have my docs but only keep for posterity. . My cwfl permit resides where my fpid use to in my wallet

File a change of address directly with NJSP. It's good to keep the FID card should you ever pass through NJ and score a good deal on ammo.

Already, having been in Fl 3 days, and having talked to old diving friends and at my favorite range, down here, I've had several people tell me "move down, here ASAP!!!"  They can't believe the bureaucracy NJ requires to own firearms, especially hand guns.

 

It can't/won't happen in the near future, and probably not until well after I'd already completed that NJ bureaucracy and acquired my FID card and P2Ps (and the inventory itself. ). But what happens to all those NJ docs if, once acquired, I do choose to move out of state, permanently? Am I obliged by law to file "change of addresses" or simply surrender the docs to the local chief? Do I need to file for "cancellation" of the docs?

 

PK90...any insights?

 

Thanks.

 

A follow up on this... I read in Evan Nappen's 2014 NJ Gun law book that there is a NJ "regulation" NJAC 13:54-1.11(b) that "requires" any one in possession of a NJ FID to file a changes of address within 30 days of that change. It requires the same process as if one were moving "in state" (sts-033, sp-066 and $20.00 for a background check). Either file with the local PD (of the destination municipality I assume), or with the NJSP "in all other cases..." or so says the regulation.

 

IANAL, but it would seem from my reading the reg, that it was intended only for "intra-state" moves, and not when someone is moving "out of state." And I'd wonder how they could enforce it once the person moved out of state (assuming they'd not be returning to NJ). But since it says "in all other cases," I guess the govt. and NJSP might exploit that (and so Mr. Nappen indicates).

 

Thoughts?  I'm having a bit of an issue with having to pay $20.00 for the privilege of leaving the state, but...

 

A follow up on this... I read in Evan Nappen's 2014 NJ Gun law book that there is a NJ "regulation" NJAC 13:54-1.11(b) that "requires" any one in possession of a NJ FID to file a changes of address within 30 days of that change. It requires the same process as if one were moving "in state" (sts-033, sp-066 and $20.00 for a background check). Either file with the local PD (of the destination municipality I assume), or with the NJSP "in all other cases..." or so says the regulation.

 

IANAL, but it would seem from my reading the reg, that it was intended only for "intra-state" moves, and not when someone is moving "out of state." And I'd wonder how they could enforce it once the person moved out of state (assuming they'd not be returning to NJ). But since it says "in all other cases," I guess the govt. and NJSP might exploit that (and so Mr. Nappen indicates).

 

Thoughts?  I'm having a bit of an issue with having to pay $20.00 for the privilege of leaving the state, but...

And what is the penalty for non-compliance?

And what is the penalty for non-compliance?

 

The regulation does not specify a penalty.... not "today."  And, as stated above, it would seem difficult for the State to enforce the regulation, once the person moves out of state. But if that same person wants ever to return to the state, even temporarily, I can see where there might be issues. Or, if laws should change, and the State become able to file a federal NICS entry in re: the "non-compliance act" with the regulation...

 

And what is the penalty for non-compliance?

 

They make you move back to NJ...    :-)

That's because there is no penalty. This isn't even enforced on people in state, let alone people who leave. Because there's no enforcement provision. Simply a matter of whether or not an FFL will sell you a gun in jersey. My understanding, not legal advice.

That's because there is no penalty. This isn't even enforced on people in state, let alone people who leave. Because there's no enforcement provision. Simply a matter of whether or not an FFL will sell you a gun in jersey. My understanding, not legal advice.

 

I can see where "non-compliance" with the reg might cause some problems if you are still "in state," the next time you need to go for P2Ps or something legit you need from the issuing chief, etc. It could be grounds for denial, if nothing else. And, as stated, should it ever become "reportable" to NICS....

 

I can see where "non-compliance" with the reg might cause some problems if you are still "in state," the next time you need to go for P2Ps or something legit you need from the issuing chief, etc. It could be grounds for denial, if nothing else. And, as stated, should it ever become "reportable" to NICS....

 

 

What is reportable to NICS is dictated by federal law. NJ can't say tomorrow that people without references or with too many parking tickets are denied by NICS.

 

They can decide what happens in jersey, probably including the NJ component of your "NICS" (which is not NICS at all, nobody has a week wait from NICS). I think if you are required to update your address on your FID and you don't, you shouldn't expect an FFL in jersey to sell you a gun. But i already said that.

According to the NJSP FIU and the CCPO, your FPID does not become invalid unless you become a prohibited person. If you were to only acquire long guns and/or ammo using your FPID with a non-current address, no-one will ever know and you also do not break any laws. It is when you apply for P2Ps, that you must do a change of address. Uninformed dealers are scared that if someone's DL address does not match their FPID address they are breaking the law. I've sold many long guns to customer's with non-matching addresses.

 

Sorry for all the acronyms.

 

According to the NJSP FIU and the CCPO, your FPID does not become invalid unless you become a prohibited person. If you were to only acquire long guns and/or ammo using your FPID with a non-current address, no-one will ever know and you also do not break any laws. It is when you apply for P2Ps, that you must do a change of address. Uninformed dealers are scared that if someone's DL address does not match their FPID address they are breaking the law. I've sold many long guns to customer's with non-matching addresses.

 

Sorry for all the acronyms.

The law specifies what does and does not trigger revocation or invalidation of a NJ FID. Updating your address is not among those triggers, going from memory.

 

But I would expect NJ FFLs to deny purchases without a matching government ID.

  

 

What is reportable to NICS is dictated by federal law. NJ can't say tomorrow that people without references or with too many parking tickets are denied by NICS.

 

They can decide what happens in jersey, probably including the NJ component of your "NICS" (which is not NICS at all, nobody has a week wait from NICS). I think if you are required to update your address on your FID and you don't, you shouldn't expect an FFL in jersey to sell you a gun. But i already said that.

 

 

According to the NJSP FIU and the CCPO, your FPID does not become invalid unless you become a prohibited person. If you were to only acquire long guns and/or ammo using your FPID with a non-current address, no-one will ever know and you also do not break any laws. It is when you apply for P2Ps, that you must do a change of address. Uninformed dealers are scared that if someone's DL address does not match their FPID address they are breaking the law. I've sold many long guns to customer's with non-matching addresses.

 

Sorry for all the acronyms.

 

 

 

The law specifies what does and does not trigger revocation or invalidation of a NJ FID. Updating your address is not among those triggers, going from memory.

 

But I would expect NJ FFLs to deny purchases without a matching government ID.

 

Folks - This wouldn't be a huge deal for me and, of course, I see the impracticalities of enforcing it, certainly on someone who has moved out of state. I only bring it up because it seems Mr. Nappen made an issue of it in his book. I just wanted to know if that was just "Mr. Nappen" being "Mr. Nappen," or is there a credible concern here...

You have 30 days to file for a duplicate FPID.. after the 30 days you have to file for a new FPID.. that's all that is referring too.

 

N.J.A.C. 13:54-1.11 Duplicate firearms purchaser identification card

(a) Persons shall apply for a duplicate firearms purchaser identification card to replace a lost, stolen or mutilated card, or in the case of a change of residence by the holder, within 30 days of such loss, theft, mutilation, or change of residence.

(b) The applicant shall complete an application for a duplicate firearms purchaser identification card designated as form STS-3 and a consent for mental health records search designated as form SP 66 and present same to the chief of police in the municipality where the applicant resides or to the Superintendent in all other cases.

 

If your moving out of state why would you apply for a duplicate FPID?

"shall" does not signify something that is mandatory to you, but mandatory to the state. It just means that you cannot be revoked the privilege within 30 days.

 

Why someone like Nappen has this grossly misinterpreted i have no idea.

 

Thoughts?  I'm having a bit of an issue with having to pay $20.00 for the privilege of leaving the state, but...

I'm guessing you don't own a house...

I'm guessing you don't own a house...

What is the Flight Tax nowadays?

What is the Flight Tax nowadays?

NJ exit tax isnt a cut and paste number if IIRC, all i know is my father was steaming at the ears when he found out how much they wanted from him for selling HIS house. i think its 2% of the sell value, but there is also a tax if your home increased in value.

I'm guessing you don't own a house...

I own a townhouse. Just as bad, it seems. But I'll cross that bridge later.  My issue with "paying $20.00 for the privilege of leaving the State" is only within a firearms context.