This was brought up by the federation at a local sportsmans club meeting Monday night.

 

By 2015 OSHA will be inspecting all ranges. They are looking for lead and toxins like that. Huge fines could close a lot of places doors. This administration said they were going after guns behind closed doors. I guess here is another way.

They are looking for lead and toxins like that. 

 

Wow -- shouldn't be too hard to find lead -- question is what would be considered a toxic level

We will not take your guns, but......

 

we never said anything about ammo and ranges.

There is always a way to achieve a desired goal. It's just a matter of figuring it out

This was a topic of discussion a couple months back at SCFGPA.  Luckily for us we're in the process of a range upgrade anyways, and are going take advantage of that to make sure we're not hit by such issues.

OSHA's permissible exposure limit (PEL) for lead is 0.050 mg/m³  For an 8 hour exposure time.   I suspect the lead exposure will only apply to indoor ranges.  OSHA has lots of rules that need to be followed.  Even the OSHA inspectors dont' know half of them.  Every violation found is a new fine.  Fines can easily reach into the tens of thousands of dollars.  OSHA never leaves and says "good job".

 

 

OSHA is one of the significant factors in our current state of the economy.  It's hard to create jobs when you have an agency who's job is to shut down employers.  I'm not suggesting that there should be no oversight but I feel about OSHA the same way I feel about DYFS.  I have seen abuse and wanted to call someone. The problem is that the only people to call are DYFS (or OSHA) .

Wow -- shouldn't be too hard to find lead -- question is what would be considered a toxic level

Quick search lead me to this about outdoor range guidance

 

http://www.epa.gov/region2/waste/leadshot/epa_bmp.pdf

 

Apparently the pH value of the soil is looked at after lead contamination.

 

Any experts pleaee chime in as i am not a chemist.

Wow -- shouldn't be too hard to find lead -- question is what would be considered a toxic level

Wild guess .... .00000000000009 ppm

3 or 4 months ago at an EFGA regular meeting this was discussed. Apparently they have known since the beginning of the year. They already had a club member looking into what would be needed done to comply.

 

If I remember correctly. For outdoor ranges they will be looking at the pH & if the lead is leeching into ground water supply.

 

One good thing about the EFGA range is it is built in an old limestone quarry, and the limestone helps with the pH levels, according to the member.

I really wouldn't worry about it. OSHA isn't likely to screw with an outdoor range, and I actually kinda support them going to indoor ranges. The indoor RO's should have their blood monitored. Lead exposure isn't an issue to most shooters, but an RO who spends 30+ hours indoors is at risk for lead exposure. I'm sure there are indoor ranges out there (not in NJ) with terrible ventilation issues and unknowing employees

This was also brought up at our Sussex county federation meeting last Wednesday. They mainly said for us to be concious of little things like not having a drink at the bench or the line. They can shut the range down for that believe it or not.

 

I'm a union plumber, when we were on large jobs we were told if OSHA showed up on our job just get in the truck and leave the jobsite. Leave all tools and equipment there. It was cheaper to replace our tools than to pay the fines. If no one was on the job they had a hard time finding us doing things unsafe. Cant leave your guns at the range but if they do show up while your shooting, best idea is pack up immediately and split.

 

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I think it would be smart if Lehigh Valley SC started thinking about this. 

OSHA's permissible exposure limit (PEL) for lead is 0.050 mg/m³  For an 8 hour exposure time.   I suspect the lead exposure will only apply to indoor ranges.  OSHA has lots of rules that need to be followed.  Even the OSHA inspectors dont' know half of them.  Every violation found is a new fine.  Fines can easily reach into the tens of thousands of dollars.  OSHA never leaves and says "good job".

 

 

OSHA is one of the significant factors in our current state of the economy.  It's hard to create jobs when you have an agency who's job is to shut down employers.  I'm not suggesting that there should be no oversight but I feel about OSHA the same way I feel about DYFS.  I have seen abuse and wanted to call someone. The problem is that the only people to call are DYFS (or OSHA) .

OSHA, just another agency showing how government over-steps its bounds...................

 

Just had a customer come back from a two week trip in China. Told me they were unable to breathe outside for long. Either stay in the car, or inside buildings. He couldn't believe what he saw. And we wonder why all the jobs go across the seas..................Good job DC, good job.

Didn't CJRPC just go through this ?

The O in OSHA stands for Occupational so I don't see this applying to a CLUB where no one actually works. The queers at the EPA may have a problem with us though.

Oh boy....

 

next they will sue ranges for not having the ability for a quadriplegic to shoot

OSHA, just another agency showing how government over-steps its bounds...................

 

Just had a customer come back from a two week trip in China. Told me they were unable to breathe outside for long. Either stay in the car, or inside buildings. He couldn't believe what he saw. And we wonder why all the jobs go across the seas..................Good job DC, good job.

 

Not sure I understand what you're saying. Are you saying you would rather have air that is unsafe to breath, and water that is unsafe to drink?

O in osha stands for occupational.  Osha laws cover "workers" not just employees.  They should not be able to cite members nor are they interested in the health of members.  They will contact other agencies (Dept of Health, EPA, etc.) if they think they see something that's outside of their authority.  Collectively, EVERYTHING and EVERYONE is under their authority.

Not sure I understand what you're saying. Are you saying you would rather have air that is unsafe to breath, and water that is unsafe to drink?

 

Would this apply to a range built on private property not for use by the public?

Would this apply to a range built on private property not for use by the public?

 

OSHA applies to all "workers".  If people work at the range, it applies.

Would this apply to a range built on private property not for use by the public?

No. Only established shooting ranges.

 

You guys are freaking out. Osha barely supervises construction where people make large violations every day. They may stop in places like Bullethole to make sure it isn't a deathtrap and that's it.

This was explained to me when I first looked at building and then purchasing a free-standing gun range.

 

Customers can come into your range and pay you to breath in all of the lead and fumes and crap that you want.  But as soon as an employee sets foot on that range, they are covered by OSHA.

 

Seriously, this is not a big deal.