Hello

 

I read somewhere that you can't purchase air rifles online in NJ without going through an FFL.  Is that right?

 

Thanks

Sam

Yep!

 

I believe there's no NICS tho, not sure never bought one

That is correct. Per NJ law a bb/pellet gun is legally a firearm.

So I need to tack on the cost of a transfer and NICS onto the price of a pellet gun?!?! Absolutely ludicrous.... 

Yes, it's ludicrous.  The height of ridiculousness is the requirement for a pistol purchase permit to buy a bb/pellet handgun.

 

May make better sense to drive to another state to purchase and just bring back into NJ.

Wait so you're telling me if I purchase it in NY/PA and bring it into NJ it doesn't need to be registered with a FFL?!?! That makes the law even more insane.

Wait so you're telling me if I purchase it in NY/PA and bring it into NJ it doesn't need to be registered with a FFL?!?! That makes the law even more insane.

 

No it is not insane. You are just so shell shocked by NJ laws you expect them to be even worse then they are. NJ permits and FID's are actually only required for purchases not possession.  That means that if it is legal to own in NJ and it is legal for you to purchase elsewhere, you may purchase it elsewhere without dealing with NJ silliness. For example you could buy an AR while on vacation in Indiana, make it NJ legal (pin, etc) and drive it to NJ, and it is perfectly legal. You could be a resident of Colorado, own some handguns, move to NJ and bring them along and as long as you don't bring high cap mags you can own them without getting any permits or FID's (although you probably should get an FID). 

I think I just expect them to be fair and symmetrical.

Wait so you're telling me if I purchase it in NY/PA and bring it into NJ it doesn't need to be registered with a FFL?!?! That makes the law even more insane.

Read the stickies in the Laws in NJ section. Yes it is insane.

 

http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php/topic/29389-read-before-posting-nj-gun-law-faq/

 

 

The following is a table detailing the individual requirements to purchase firearms in NJ.

 

'PK90' said

1. Handgun purchases by

....A. NJ resident from

........(1) NJ dealer = NICS check with a P2P and Photo ID

........(2) NJ resident = face to face with a P2P with Photo ID suggested

........(3) Out-of-state dealer = must be transferred through NJ dealer - Refer 1A(1)

........(4) Out-of-state resident = must be transferred through NJ dealer - Refer 1A(1)

....B. Out-of-state resident from

........(1) NJ dealer = must be transferred through buyer's home state dealer

........(2) NJ resident = must be transferred through buyer's home state dealer

 

2. Long gun purchases by

....A. NJ resident from

........(1) NJ dealer = NICS check with a FPID, COE and Photo ID

........(2) NJ resident = face to face with a FPID, COE with Photo ID suggested

........(3) Out-of-state dealer = NICS check with a FPID, COE and Photo ID

........(4) Out-of-state resident = must be transferred through

............a. NJ dealer = NICS check with a FPID, COE and Photo ID or

............b. Out-of-state dealer = NICS check with a FPID, COE and Photo ID

....B. Non-resident from

........(1) NJ dealer = NICS check with a FPID, COE and Photo ID

........(2) NJ resident = must be transferred through

............a. NJ dealer = NICS check with a FPID, COE and Photo ID or

............b. Out-of-state dealer = consult buyer's home state laws

 

3. Blackpowder and pellet handgun purchases by

....A. NJ resident from

........(1) NJ dealer = only a P2P and Photo ID required

........(2) NJ resident = face to face with a P2P with Photo ID suggested

........(3) Out-of-state dealer = no requirement

........(4) Out-of-state resident = no requirement

....B. Out-of-state resident from

........(1) NJ dealer = must be shipped to an out-of-state address

........(2) NJ resident = transfer must take place out-of-state

 

4. Blackpowder and pellet long gun purchases by

....A. NJ resident from

........(1) NJ dealer = only a FPID, COE and Photo ID required

........(2) NJ resident = face to face with a FPID, COE with Photo ID suggested

........(3) Out-of-state dealer = no requirement

........(4) Out-of-state resident = no requirement

....B. Non-resident from

........(1) NJ dealer = only a FPID, COE and Photo ID required

........(2) NJ resident = face to face with a FPID, COE with Photo ID suggested or transfer must take place out-of-state

 

Quote

NJ = "New Jersey"

NICS = "National Instant Criminal Background Check System"

P2P = "Permit to Purchase a Handgun and Form of Register"

ID = "Identification"

FPID = "State of NJ Firearms Purchaser IDENTIFICATION CARD"

COE = "Certificate of Eligibility"

There ya go. Time to visit Cabelas in Hamburg. Just be carefull - no scary looking silencers on the rifle barell. Or see my ad for a Ruger Air Hawk!!

So I need to tack on the cost of a transfer and NICS onto the price of a pellet gun?!?! Absolutely ludicrous.... 

No NICS fee since NICS is federal and the feds don't consider airguns firearms. If you buy an air rifle from a NJ dealer you need to have an FPID card and fill out a COE (and money) - that's it. If you buy out of state you need to make sure you don't buy one with a sound suppressor on it (they are all the rage right now outside of NJ), they are a major no-no in NJ.

 

If you're interested, I have several Gamo Big Cat's in stock in .177 and .22, and they are reasonably priced - probably would be cheaper than making a trip out of state or transferring a mail order rifle through a dealer.

 

http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php/classifieds/item/1422-gamo-big-cat-177-air-rifle/

 

http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php/classifieds/item/1421-gamo-big-cat-22-air-rifle/

Trick is the FFL fee is usually the bulk of the cost. The NISC is a standard fee and a fairly insignificant portion of the total bill.

 

I was most interested in a Hatsan 95 in a .22 I think. If I was to go nuts I want the Weihrauch HW50S. Neither of those seem to be available through NJ dealers. If you do sell them let me know. I'm personally not impressed with the Gamo reviews.

I do not have a wholesaler at this time that seems to carry either of these brands. If you wanted to order one and have it sent to me, we would charge you $25 for the transfer - probably still cheaper than driving out of state to an airgun specialty shop to pick one up - unless you're far from me.

Shoot. How about this. Find the air rifle your looking for. From whatever dealer. Have it shipped to the nearest pa ffl and pick it up from them. No nics fee no coe no tax. All legal.

Shoot. How about this. Find the air rifle your looking for. From whatever dealer. Have it shipped to the nearest pa ffl and pick it up from them. No nics fee no coe no tax. All legal.

I don't think a FFL would take such a risk, especially for what would be zero profit.

 

 

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And to expand, just goto Cabelas... There's very little air rifle activity going on with NJ dealers. Most think you need to pay for a NICS. Goto cabelas, pick it up and head right to the counter. Make a day of it, goto red robin across the street.

 

 

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What risk is the ffl taking ? There are no laws broken !! When he is there he can buy some ammo. Gonna need it anyway. There the dealer made some money and possibly a future customer.

What risk is the ffl taking ? There are no laws broken !! When he is there he can buy some ammo. Gonna need it anyway. There the dealer made some money and possibly a future customer.

It's the unknowns. Why do you think many out of state FFLs won't sell to NJ residents? They don't want to be bothered with the hassle involved in our laws. In NJ an air rifle is considered a long gun. Read above, a long gun requires NICS from out of state FFL. It's different buying it off the shelf without having to produce ID. If you get it delivered to a PA FFL they will need to validate your identity. Show them that NJ license, good luck!

 

 

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Shoot. How about this. Find the air rifle your looking for. From whatever dealer. Have it shipped to the nearest pa ffl and pick it up from them. No nics fee no coe no tax. All legal.

Unless your buying a lot from them, why would any business - FFL or not - do something like this for free? Most people at work have enough to do, and if this is taking up time that could be used to do something that could make them money they are not going to waste their time dealing with it unless it to help out a good customer.

 

If the OP had me do the transfer, we're talking $25 and a COE - that's it. Not much of a burden.

They will not need to validate your identity Its like buying a battery for your car. Its a purchase for anything. Lumber at h depot. Its just a purchase. Nj has y'all too scared ass to to do it Why dont out of state ffl's want to to sell to us. Because they dont know the laws. Thy are are ignorant and its easier to say no. Bad business!! Ignorant f's These rifles and pistols we have are not bad. But they have youuuuu so confused to make youuu think they are. They have done a number on you. This is a perfect example. Now go buy some firearms and learn the law. Also the fee they might get for the sale is a sale. Sure they might ask 5 10 or 15$ but wtf its income. Why the hate

Also like i said. This could be a potential customer. Bringing in more sales. Free advertising. If you are in business you know how much word of mouth advertising gets you. A lot !!!! Why are you too busy or too wealthy to make more sales. Id kiss my customers asses to make a sale. If you dont. Youd better wise up in these times or it aint gonna last for you.

An airgun would be no different than any other "firearm" in NJ when it comes to local no-discharge laws (unless the local ordinance specifically exempts airguns), correct?  So, if my town prohibits discharging of firearms within town limits, I could fire my airgun in my backyard or even in my basement.  Correct?

An airgun would be no different than any other "firearm" in NJ when it comes to local no-discharge laws (unless the local ordinance specifically exempts airguns), correct?  So, if my town prohibits discharging of firearms within town limits, I could NOT fire my airgun in my backyard or even in my basement.  Correct?

An airgun would be no different than any other "firearm" in NJ when it comes to local no-discharge laws (unless the local ordinance specifically exempts airguns), correct?

I can see it now...

At the local range:

Me: Hi, I need a lane for an hour. I'm going to be sighting in my pellet gun.

Counter dude: Srsly?

I can see it now...

At the local range:

Me: Hi, I need a lane for an hour. I'm going to be sighting in my pellet gun.

Counter dude: Srsly?

I've brought an old pellet gun to EFGA to verify the damn thing still works.  (It does...sometimes)

 

Of course, I was already going there.

 

The entire time I was shooting it (aka trying to get it to work) I'm sure all the PA residents were staring at that crazy guy bringing a BB gun to a gun range.

 

 

3. Blackpowder and pellet handgun purchases by

....A. NJ resident from

........(1) NJ dealer = only a P2P and Photo ID required

........(2) NJ resident = face to face with a P2P with Photo ID suggested

........(3) Out-of-state dealer = no requirement

........(4) Out-of-state resident = no requirement

I'm sure I've read this before and simply forgotten it, since I've actually read the stickied thread, but that's good to know.  Who in their right mind wants to waste a PPP/30 days on a BB gun..?