Food for thought. How to place a "crack" in NJ CCW scheme

 

i. Nothing in N.J.S.2C:39-5 shall be construed to prevent any person who is 18 years of age or older and who has not been convicted of a felony, from possession for the purpose of personal self-defense of one pocket-sized device which contains and releases not more than three-quarters of an ounce of chemical substance not ordinarily capable of lethal use or of inflicting serious bodily
injury, but rather, is intended to produce temporary physical discomfort or disability through being vaporized or otherwise dispensed in the air. Any person in possession of any device in violation of this subsection shall be deemed and adjudged to be a disorderly person, and upon conviction thereof, shall be punished by a fine of not less than $100.00.

 

Question: Has anyone ever applied for a carry permit which  authorizes the possessor to have such a device that will release more than three quarters of an ounce?

Question: Is the application for such a permit contemplated by NJ's CCW scheme?

Question: what standard governs the issuance of such a permit   for a less than lethal device?

Question: Does the failure to issue such a permit  for a less than lethal device violate the Second Amendment?

Question: Would applications for such a  less than lethal permit in multiple counties, place a "crack" in NJ's CCW scheme?

no... pepper spray has nothing to do with the second amendment.. even if you were granted some special permit to carry a fire extinguisher full of pepper spray it would have no impact on firearms law because again it is not a gun..  

 

no... pepper spray has nothing to do with the second amendment..

I don't agree with that.

 

even if you were granted some special permit to carry a fire extinguisher full of pepper spray it would have no impact on firearms law because again it is not a gun..

CCW permits allow you to carry numerous types of weapons other than firearms in many states.

No such permit exists to apply for.

 

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CCW permits allow you to carry numerous types of weapons other than firearms in many states.

 

 

as far as I know (and I could be wrong) NJ is not one of those states... so it would be moot.. 

 

as far as I know (and I could be wrong) NJ is not one of those states... so it would be moot.. 

 

 

You referenced the Second Amendment, and then said being issued a permit to carry pepper spray wouldn't matter. Neither apply to NJ, and both apply to carrying pepper spray, so I responded to what you said.

 

I'm explaining my response, not arguing with you.

In NJ, it is a "permit to carry a handgun".   Not a weapons permit.  It also does not specify "concealed".  I guess in NJ, ccw is really pch.

wait isn't there some kind certification class we can take for the mace thingy?

 

wait isn't there some kind certification class we can take for the mace thingy?

 

 

No you're fugged.

I believe that police need to be "certified" or at least have the "approved" training to carry the grownup pepper spray.  But that's an administrative policy, not the law.  By law, police can carry weapons of any type.  By law the only non-law enforcement that can carry are criminals.

Less than lethal-if their is an exception, then these are considered weapons. If they are not covered by N.J. ccw scheme (unlike Florida) then does the Second Amendment offer any protection? For instance, a person can be "armed" with a knife.

Less than lethal-if their is an exception, then these are considered weapons. If they are not covered by N.J. ccw scheme (unlike Florida) then does the Second Amendment offer any protection? For instance, a person can be "armed" with a knife.

 

you are asking a lot of different questions...

In NJ there are not really any provisions to protect yourself out of your home with the exception of maybe carrying a very small amount of pepper spray... 

 

you may carry a knife providing you have an explainable lawful purpose..  

EX: I am carrying this pocket knife because i use it on a daily basis as a utility knife.. 

but it is up to the officers discretion as to if he should make an arrest or not....

 

NJ law disallows most weapons in plain wording... 

r. "Weapon" means anything readily capable of lethal use or of inflicting serious bodily injury. The term includes, but is not limited to, all (1)firearms, even though not loaded or lacking a clip or other component to render them immediately operable; (2)components which can be readily assembled into a weapon; (3)gravity knives, switchblade knives, daggers, dirks, stilettos, or other dangerous knives, billies, blackjacks, bludgeons, metal knuckles, sandclubs, slingshots, cesti or similar leather bands studded with metal filings or razor blades imbedded in wood; and (4) stun guns; and any weapon or other device which projects, releases, or emits tear gas or any other substance intended to produce temporary physical discomfort or permanent injury through being vaporized or otherwise dispensed in the air.

 

t. "Stun gun" means any weapon or other device which emits an electrical charge or current intended to temporarily or permanently disable a person.

 

u. "Ballistic knife" means any weapon or other device capable of lethal use and which can propel a knife blade.

 

 

 

They dont want you to have weapons... if you are going to ever properly defend yourself you are going to need to 

 

a) make some serious changes in the government

 

b) move