question......probably in the wrong place.

 

 a family member inherited some guns. muskets, long guns, shotguns, and pistols. i was checking out some of the pistols. many i'm interested in. there's at least 8 that i'd be interested in between collector guns, and ones that i'd shoot.

 

 iif i manage a deal with them, is there any legal means for me to acquire that many at once?

Yes apply for an exemption, forms are on NJSP website, all serial numbers must be documented prior to application.

must also have pistol purchase permit for each handgun

John,

 

PM sent.....................

Long guns shouldn't be a problem. COE for each one and away you go.

 

Handguns... Different story. P2P for each one. Unless you get an exemption as stated above.

 

C

Long guns shouldn't be a problem. COE for each one and away you go.Handguns... Different story. P2P for each one. Unless you get an exemption as stated above.C

You still need a P2P for each handgun along with the exemption. I got an exemption last summer. It took about two weeks.

...Handguns... Different story. P2P for each one. Unless you get an exemption as stated above.

You still need a P2P for each handgun.

The exemption allows you to ignore the OGAM rules and acquire them all at once.

Multiple purchase also does not count for OGAM. IOW, you do not have to wait 30 days after a multiple purchase (with exemption) before you can make single purchase.

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob

Actually Bob, I think you've got that turned around.

You can make an exempted (multiple) purchase without waiting for the 30 day clock to expire, but after that exempted purchase, you must still wait 30 days to make your next non-exempted purchase.

No, Bob is correct. MHE transfers make no reference to other transfers and OGAM calendar calculations, and are not referenced by other single transfers. I have proved this on more than on occasion.

 

And that holds even if some transfers on the MHE are from an FFL, and others are from private sellers.

that is interesting to know...abotu not waiting for single purchase.

 

 out of all that they've shown me, there's 5 i'd like to get. i need to scrape the money together though. these are beautiful guns, and well worth the money they're asking.

 

 i'm prolly not gonna jump on any of the long guns, or muskets though......if any of you are interested though, pm me a number that i can give to them, and i'll get your info to them.

Actually Bob, I think you've got that turned around.

You can make an exempted (multiple) purchase without waiting for the 30 day clock to expire, but after that exempted purchase, you must still wait 30 days to make your next non-exempted purchase.

^^^THIS IS CORRECT^^^^^^^

Actually Bob, I think you've got that turned around.

You can make an exempted (multiple) purchase without waiting for the 30 day clock to expire, but after that exempted purchase, you must still wait 30 days to make your next non-exempted purchase.

 

I have to disagree, based on my interpretation of the relevant statute below - but Lord knows, I'm no lawyer.

 

The relevant statute is 2C:58-3,i,(6) Purchase of Firearms

 

Part i - Restriction on number of firearms person may purchase. Only one handgun shall be purchased or delivered on each permit and no more than one handgun shall be purchased within any 30-day period, but this limitation shall not apply to:

 

Subsection (6) - any transaction where the superintendent issues an exemption from the prohibition in this subsection pursuant to the provisions of section 4 of P.L.2009, c.186 (C.2C:58-3.4).

 

Subsection (6), which refers to part i, indicates that any purchase done under the Superintendent's exemption, falls outside of the OGAM framework. OGAM does not apply - it doesn't matter where the multiple purchase occurs in the buying cycle, it has no effect on purchases undertaken within the OGAM restriction.

 

Let's say that you purchase a single firearm on March 1st. The 30 day clock starts on March 2nd and your next eligible OGAM purchase could not be made until April 1st. However, under the above statute, you could file for a multiple purchase exemption and execute that any time within that 30 day window (i.e. March 15th), without it affecting the purchases pursuant to OGAM.

 

Multiple purchases are wholly outside of the OGAM restriction.

 

JMHO

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob

 

 

If Bob was not right:

 

1. The word 'exemption' would be meaningless.

2. Four of my NICS checks would have been rejected.

3. I would have been arrested. Twice.

4. My FFL would have lost their license.

appreciate all the info!! it would seem to me that if i wanted to purchase another single, after getting this exemption, that discretion would be best.....and wait another 30 days. annoying? yea. end of the world? nah.

That's certainly your choice there 1LtCAP. I (and Bob) just wanted to be clear about what the law and admin procedures actually require and allow for anyone not willing or not able to wait.

 

I have (twice) executed single transfers on exactly the 30 day boundaries with MHE transfers (both FFL and private seller mixed) in between those boundaries.

 

And I'm still here to talk about it.

 

Note: When the NICS check is done for a MHE the FFL indicates that fact either over the phone or on the online screen. That's the cue for the system that no OGAM calendar checking will be done, and serial numbers must be provided. When a private seller is involved on a MHE, I make sure that a note accompanies any P2P copies that go to NJSP. The note points out that the enclosed permits' handguns ARE members of MY MHE. That way whoever opens the envelope at the Firearms Unit realizes that no OGAM checking is required,doesn't do any out of ignorance, and just checks the serial number for legality.

 

Note 2: You MAY NOT include a handgun on a single transfer in a NICS check for a MHE. The transfers on a MHE must stand alone.

If Bob was not right:

 

1. The word 'exemption' would be meaningless.

2. Four of my NICS checks would have been rejected.

3. I would have been arrested. Twice.

4. My FFL would have lost their license.

Are you saying that you have done a non exempt transfer less than 30 days after doing an exempt transfer?

 

The explanation I got from the NJSP was that an exempt transfer can occur anytime after a non exempt transfer, but a non exempt transfer must wait the 30 days after an exempt transfer.

Are you saying that you have done a non exempt transfer less than 30 days after doing an exempt transfer?

 

The explanation I got from the NJSP was that an exempt transfer can occur anytime after a non exempt transfer, but a non exempt transfer must wait the 30 days after an exempt transfer.

 

+1

I concur

The explanation I got from the NJSP was that an exempt transfer can occur anytime after a non exempt transfer, but a non exempt transfer must wait the 30 days after an exempt transfer.

 

I have no doubt that is what you were told, but that doesn't make it the law. An exemption is an exemption and that's it. The law exempts multiple handgun purchases from the rules of OGAM - not part of them, not from particular constraints - it is a total exemption.

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob

Oakridge & PK90: Yes I have. Twice.

 

Most recently, on 11/27/13 I executed a MHE with transfers from both my FFL & a private party, and on 12/4/13 I transferred another pistol from my FFL. Needless to say, the NICS checks were uneventful and my FFL is smiling broadly.

 

"Multiple Handgun Exemption" means just that: exempt!

 

There is a plethora of bad information floating around this state on this topic. I'm sorry to say it but a lot of LEOs simply do not understand the law. Or, are interested in confusing and restraining you?

IMHO:

I believe the "Exempt Handguns" are exempt from OGAM. But, I also believe that the OGAM Handguns are not exempt. I do not see where the law states that they are exempt. Perhaps your transaction was not yet caught due to the short time period between transactions.

Oakridge & PK90: Yes I have. Twice.

 

Most recently, on 11/27/13 I executed a MHE with transfers from both my FFL & a private party, and on 12/4/13 I transferred another pistol from my FFL. Needless to say, the NICS checks were uneventful and my FFL is smiling broadly.

 

"Multiple Handgun Exemption" means just that: exempt!

 

There is a plethora of bad information floating around this state on this topic. I'm sorry to say it but a lot of LEOs simply do not understand the law. Or, are interested in confusing and restraining you?

That's good to know they let it go though......

 

As far as getting info from LEO's......I was talking to the NJSP FIU, so they are the ones enforcing this law......I am I surprised that they are telling people different things? - well no. The fact that the NICS went through is probably the relevant way to know what they are construing this law to mean.

Oakridge & PK90:

 

Since you are FFLs in this state and it's your bread and butter business I can certainly appreciate your cautious approach on this topic. My FFL spoke to the NJSP FIU in summer 2012 when I executed my first MHE, with me participating. At that time our questions were very clear about what we could and could not do. It boiled down to this: any handguns on a MHE do not reference, and are not referenced by, any other handgun transfers subject to OGAM restrictions. That's what 'exempt from OGAM' means. It's like MHE transfers didn't happen. And as PB implied it's not a variable topic open to personal interpretation. It's yes you're exempt with an MHE, and no you're not on a single transfer.

 

I can assure you my 'success' is not the result of some administrative oversight. It's the way the law and administrative procedures work and are administered. At least that is one process that IS working to our advantage.

 

I guess this is why I'm still somewhat of a celebrity at my FFL. I'm the only MHE purchaser they've ever had.