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Basic Shooting Question

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I don't believe in eye dominance. Right eye or left eye it doesn't matter. Keep your head straight and adjust the gun and align the sights to your eyes.

Rick I for sure have an eye dominance issue :)

 

P.S.

 

for those that have not met me i am blind in my right eye so just busting chops)

The only way to over grip is a gun is to grip so hard you can't move your trigger finger. Plus he said he has been shooting for 6 years

Not exactly true. I have seen people shooting for 25 years have deficiencies.

Rick I for sure have an eye dominance issue :)

 

P.S.

 

for those that have not met me i am blind in my right eye so just busting chops)

Lol, I got u Mikey.

 

Unless there is a physical issue eye dominance is baloney.

I've been shooting for 6 years now. I've taken a number of pistol courses, basic through advanced, and have a pretty good grasp of the fundamentals. I am, however, still having trouble shooting quickly with accuracy. How do I practice so that when I press the gun out from a low ready position or after a holster draw the sights are already lined up or close to being lined up? I've read about "natural point of aim" but I'm not sure how that applies in terms of practice and shooting proficiency. To complicate things a bit, I shoot right handed but am left-eye dominant which means I need to turn my head quite a bit to get a good sight picture. I shoot using a modified isosceles stance, with my left foot forward and body "bladed" slightly -- almost a cross between a chapman and isosceles stance -- to help line up the sights. That may be part of the reason it takes longer for me to get a good sight picture.

When you shoot quickly where are your shots hitting.

It isn't memory, it is exercise. You don't build muscle memory in your biceps by doing curls, you just build the muscle. Indeed you can train the eyes but at the end of the day shooting well is done with extreme conscious involvement.

 

 

I agree - I abhor the term "muscle memory". Last time I checked, muscles have no way to store memories. I prefer to refer to the phenomenon as "procedural memory". You are training your brain, not your muscles, by creating kinesthetic sense (proprioception) through repetition. You are learning a procedure. You just have to be careful to not confuse the stages of achievement with manipulations - attaining unconscious competence being the goal - with shooting. Everything but target discrimination and the actual decision to pull the trigger can be on autopilot but not those two acts. Each trigger press has to be a conscious and independent decision to engage an identified threat - whether that threat is an IPSC target, a piece of steel, or an assailant intent on doing you serious physical harm.

 

I also agree that shooting fast is not about shooting, it is about seeing. A monkey can press a trigger fast. It takes skill obtained through training - note: I didn't day practice, that's different - to be able to acquire, identify, and process multiple threats driving the gun from target to target. You can not go faster than you can "see". Seeing incorporates acquiring and identifying a target as a threat, obtaining a sight picture, and evaluating the effectiveness of your shots and scanning for the next target where the process starts all over again.

 

Here is a good video by Rob Leatham about shooting multiple targets quickly in a competition scenario:

Keep in mind this video is from a competition mindset. Some small changes to the technique, specifically the post shooting evaluation and when to transition targets would need to be tweaked a bit before I would qualify this as a good defensive shooting strategy.

 

Dry fire is important, but it is not a panacea and it has some significant limitations. You can dry fire to effectively practice trigger control, administrative manipulations (reloads, clearing malfunctions, drawstroke, etc...), and initial sight alignment. You can not practice driving the gun on multiple targets, multiple shot strings, recoil control, or shoot/no shoot scenarios effective with dry fire only.

 

If you have time to bring the gun to eye level, then you have time to aim.

I tell my guys the same thing - I follow it up with "If you don't have time to aim, you don't have time to miss."

 

Dry fire is important, but it is not a panacea and it has some significant limitations. You can dry fire to effectively practice trigger control, administrative manipulations (reloads, clearing malfunctions, drawstroke, etc...), and initial sight alignment. You can not practice driving the gun on multiple targets, multiple shot strings, recoil control, or shoot/no shoot scenarios effective with dry fire only.

 

 

 

I disagree with that.  I do a lot of dry fire with multiple targets.  It is very effective in teaching how to drive the gun quickly and getting it to stop exactly where it should. 

You can not practice driving the gun on multiple targets, multiple shot strings, recoil control, or shoot/no shoot scenarios effective with dry fire only.

 

 

 

I disagree with that.  I do a lot of dry fire with multiple targets.  It is very effective in teaching how to drive the gun quickly and getting it to stop exactly where it should. 

 

 

I'll 2nd that, my dry fire practice includes transitions , ussually it's just random light switches in my house. On occasion i'll actually setup targets in the garage and draw, (dry)fire, reload on various targets.

 

Agreed the "real thing" cant be duplicated, but it can certainly help doing dry fire.

I also agree with Alec.  Folks with Wheelies don't have to "stroke it" to get it to work again after every pull of the trigger, so transitions are accomplished much easier :maninlove:

I disagree with that.  I do a lot of dry fire with multiple targets.  It is very effective in teaching how to drive the gun quickly and getting it to stop exactly where it should.

 

Which is good, and helpful, and I do it too, but any "firing" practice you get from it goes right out the window when you start having to deal with recoil and add trigger prep into the mix.

 

What you are really doing is training your eyes to switch quickly from target to target. Dry firing against multiple targets has little to do with "firing" and has everything to do with seeing and moving,

Which is good, and helpful, and I do it too, but any "firing" practice you get from it goes right out the window when you start having to deal with recoil and add trigger prep into the mix.

 

What you are really doing is training your eyes to switch quickly from target to target. Dry firing against multiple targets has little to do with "firing" and has everything to do with seeing and moving,

 

What I'm train is my gun to go exactly where my eyes look.  Seeing faster is great but it really means nothing if your gun can't get to and stop exactly where you are looking.   Most of my bad hits are from my hands not keeping up with my eyes.    Recoil and trigger prep have very little impact on my shooting.  Recoil is going to happen, nothing I can do about it, but it will be over before I can reset the trigger.  I don't prep the trigger, unless I have a very difficult shot, otherwise I slap 

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