I recently moved within the state, and have a chance of address sticker on my license. I still have my original FID. Can I buy long guns as is?

 

Disclaimer: I post some NJ unfriendly pictures. I have multiple residences and my dad has legal ownership of all the NJ unfriendly stuff I post. It is all in PA. My legal residence is here.

I was under the impression that it would be a no-go but I could be wrong.  I thought once you move the old FID is no longer valid. 

I'm confused but I'll answer based off what I read. If you have and FPID and the address does not match your current full time address, then it's a no go. FPID and DL must match 100% and must be current. OZZERVISE YEW ARE BREAKING ZE LAW.

Mike

From what I see on the NJSP website you're permitted since they only specify for handguns that the ID must match, but I have a feeling you're going to have trouble finding a cooperative FFL. Also, the responsibility is on the seller, not the buyer.

 

Long guns

 

It is the responsibility of the seller of the shotguns, including bb, pellet, firearm to ascertain that the buyer has a and black powder rifles? Firearms Purchaser Identification Card plus one additional form of photo identification and a completes Certificate of Eligibility. The information contained on the Firearms Purchaser Identification Card must match the identification of the transferor.

 

Hand guns

 

A Permit to Purchase a Handgun must be completed on each handgun transferred in this state. It is the responsibility of the seller of the handgun to ascertain that the buyer has a valid Permit to Purchase a Handgun and one additional form of identification. The information on the Handgun Purchase Permit must match the identification of the transferor. ( i.e, name address, DOB, sex, etc.) The permit must be completed by the seller and buyer.

 

edit: now I'm not so sure, I guess it depends on how you define "information". They only specifically define an address as "information" on handgun, but not on long gun.

The statute just says "valid" and doesn't say that an FID is invalidated when you move.

 

b. Firearms purchaser identification card. No person shall sell, give, transfer, assign or otherwise dispose of nor receive, purchase or otherwise acquire an antique cannon or a rifle or shotgun, other than an antique rifle or shotgun, unless the purchaser, assignee, donee, receiver or holder is licensed as a dealer under this chapter or possesses a valid firearms purchaser identification card, and first exhibits said card to the seller, donor, transferor or assignor, and unless the purchaser, assignee, donee, receiver or holder signs a written certification, on a form prescribed by the superintendent, which shall indicate that he presently complies with the requirements of subsection c. of this section and shall contain his name, address and firearms purchaser identification card number or dealer's registration number. The said certification shall be retained by the seller, as provided in paragraph (4) of subsection a. of N.J.S.2C:58-2, or, in the case of a person who is not a dealer, it may be filed with the chief of police of the municipality in which he resides or with the superintendent.

You may want to be careful on this... If you moved and didn't update the address for your FID there might be problems now that you have returned, and not just the inability to purchase unless they match up.  A more knowledgeable person on here might be able to answer to this.

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Your FID address is supposed to match the DL address.

I recently moved within the state, and have a chance of address sticker on my license. I still have my original FID. Can I buy long guns as is?

 

Disclaimer: I post some NJ unfriendly pictures. I have multiple residences and my dad has legal ownership of all the NJ unfriendly stuff I post. It is all in PA. My legal residence is here.

 

If you owned the big orange book, you would already have your answer.....

 

If your Dad's place is one of your residences, just have the long gun shipped to a PA FFL near Dad.  You go and buy it.  OR--He buys it while you straighten-out your FID and then it has to be transferred.  If BOTH of your documents matched (no address change on license) you could proceed as normal (?) except if it's considered breaking a law to write an old address down on transfer papers (see big orange book).  So your question actually has TWO parts, lol, if you see what I'm implying.

 

What ever you decide to do, DO NOT surrender your yellow card for an address change, as you still need it to buy hand gun ammo in NJ (and you're not the only person who needs to do this)!  And what I just typed is done every day, while good people are waiting 6 months or more for a new card with current address......

Your FID address is supposed to match the DL address.

 

But is the change of address sticker applicable? i am assuming yes.

I recently moved within the state, and have a chance of address sticker on my license. I still have my original FID. Can I buy long guns as is?

 

Disclaimer: I post some NJ unfriendly pictures. I have multiple residences and my dad has legal ownership of all the NJ unfriendly stuff I post. It is all in PA. My legal residence is here.

Does the address on the FID card match the original address (on the front) of your DL?

Is the NJ Drivers Lic valid (not expired)?

 

If the DL is valid, and the address on the front (original address) matches the FID - you can purchase a Firearm.

If your DL has been changed to a New address which does not match the FID, it is up to the discretion of the 

FFL, but according to the NJSP/FIU - if the FFL gets a second form of ID and is confident the person is who they 

say they are - the transaction can be made.

Thanks Jack!  That's basically my take as well^^, and just one more reason to have a relationship with a Mom and Pop who KNOWS you!

 

I was hoping someone would look at Vlad's archives to get the answer, but I'm glad you jumped on-board too!

 

Dave

But is the change of address sticker applicable? i am assuming yes.

I have a change of address sticker on the back of my license which matches the address on my FID.  I have not had any issues.

Thanks for the advice guys.

 

JT, that is my scenario. Valid DL matches my FID, but I moved within NJ so I have a change of address sticker.

 

I'm not even buying anything soon, but its something I was curious about.

You can try, but most FFls won't go for the mis-match. Hustle over to your local PD and get your paperwork started on a new FID. Git 'er done and move on.

Thanks for the advice guys.

 

JT, that is my scenario. Valid DL matches my FID, but I moved within NJ so I have a change of address sticker.

 

I'm not even buying anything soon, but its something I was curious about.

 

You are only going to get yourself in trouble asking for legal advice from people on the forum, even FFL's, not a good idea. I don't know an FFL including myself that has a law degree and is an expert in firearms law.

 

A few things to consider. If you moved more than 30 days ago your already in violation of the NJ firearm laws. NJAC 13:54-1.11a which requires  you (shall) to apply for a change of address within 30 days of an address change. Just to be on the safe side consult with the New Jersey Gun Law Guide by Evan F. Nappen who is a legal expert and you will find on page 110 question 4 ("If a New Jersey Firearms Identification card holder changes residence within New Jersey does he/she have to notify the authorities"). Answer, Yes as cited in the NJ Administrative code above.

 

If that's not enough to convince you then look on the same page in the "Loopholes & Pitfalls" and Evan states "Make sure your New Jersey Firearms Purchaser Identification Card is updated with your new address so that it matches your driver's license. He state he has a client with legal problems because of not having a current address on the FID. Nappen also states that it's more important with NICS to have the addresses match. So any FFL taking your business with an old address on your FID card regardless of the sticker on the back of the license is asking for trouble.

 

Bottom line, if the FID card address matches the change of address on your driver's license your good to go. Any other scenario, no good and you may very well be in violation of the statues just being over 30 days if you moved over a month ago.  

I strongly disagree with the sentiment here. The LAW says that the FPID only becomes invalid when one becomes a prohibited person. Just because someone changes their address and fails to change the FPID in 30 days, does not make them a criminal. They have broken no laws.

 

The NJSP FIU has stated at the Freehold Seminar, and to me personally, that the addresses do not have to match. All that is required for a firearm sale to take place is a Government Issues Photo ID with name, address, and DOB. This is Federal Law. I have sold long guns to people with different addresses on their DL and FPID. Can someone show me where in NJ Law it says that the addresses have to match?

 

I course, now I have no dog in this fight, as I just received my new FFL in America. On May 1st, I will say my final goodbyes to Nazi NJ.

Congratulations Paul, I'm green with envy.

 

I agree with your statement Paul, but I have elected to follow the advice of Mr. Nappin to stay out of trouble. If somebody else wants to stand in court and fight on principal I applaud them. Besides even though I agree with your statement the law still states that you "shall" change your FID within 30 days of change of address. Not my interpretation, just what the law says.