hello, i'm new to this forum. i applied for a fid card last year and was denied. the reason for the denial was falsification of application which i did not intend to do. i simply screwed up on two of the questions.  my question is if i've been denied, once i rectify the issues which caused the denial, would i still be denied if i reapply again and do i need 2 be fingerprinted again as well? the firearms officer of my town (west new york) is telling me that i cannot reapply and then says i could but i need to get refingerprinted. he says the state police told him all this and i found it a bit fishy so i called the state police firearms unit and spoke with a sargeant. basically what he said the firearms officer from my town is wrong.

 

i am very fustrated because all i want to do is exercise my god givin right to keep and bear arms as a law abiding american.

 

 i would reall appreciate any advice on what i can do. thanks a million in advance.

 

rodney

 

Time to call a lawyer, that's your best bet. otherwise your gonna get more misinformation

 

Evan Nappen or look on ANJRPC lawyers list

R u a troll?

 

rufus70, on 15 May 2013 - 02:30 AM, said:

this whole FID system is unconstitutional, i mean really, i don't need a permit to go to my local synagogue or to exocise my 1st amendment so why do i need "permission" to purchase a firearm. the FID system needs to be repealed as it infringes on our 2nd amendment right. what are everyone's feelings on this issue ?

Let me be the first to say your best route would be to hire a attorney with knowledge of the laws pertaining to firearms.

Hope you overcome your troubles and get your FID.

 

*well I wasn't the first afterall

 

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

The police giving you "advice" are clueless.  You currently have a denial attached to your name which is going to seriously complicate matters going further.  At this point you don't need our guesses about how to proceed; you NEED a lawyer who knows how to deal with these issues.  Evan Nappen comes to mind, but he is probably swamped.  Inquire around here for a lawyer who knows how to address these matters, but don't bother with any other sage advice....get a lawyer who knows what he'd doing!

thanks for your replies, i just called a lawyer and left him a message so i'm looking foward to speaking to him regarding this issue. as for the person asking if i'm a troll, no i am not! that previous post was just a rant about this whole FID system. and in my opinion it should be repealed as it has not prevented any of the criminals from optaining weapons.   

thanks for your replies, i just called a lawyer and left him a message so i'm looking foward to speaking to him regarding this issue. as for the person asking if i'm a troll, no i am not! that previous post was just a rant about this whole FID system. and in my opinion it should be repealed as it has not prevented any of the criminals from optaining weapons.

 

Thanks for answering my question.

Good luck getting your FID. Do keep us posted on your progress.

Good luck. Don't listen to the police. Chances are they do not even do their small portion correctly anyway.

"denial was falsification of application which i did not intend to do"

 

What did you falsify?

Yeah, you're going to need to identify the questions answered incorrectly (usually the mental health portion or the presence of some criminal charge that you thought was fully sealed up or something).  And ask, the chief how they investigated the case and came to the conclusion that you should be denied.

 

Before any of these steps, get the attorney to walk you through the process so you don't ruin your own case.  If there was an investigation solely based on hearsay evidence or some negative comment from a reference, you have a strong case. Otherwise you're facing an uphill battle.

Which 2 questions did you answer falsely?

The right to keep and bear arms is not a "god givin right", its a constitutional right.

I find falsification is be very serious.  Falsification and law abiding should not be in the same sentence.

Just make sure you appeal. If not it goes on record as a denial

The right to keep and bear arms is not a "god givin right", its a constitutional right.

 

It is an inherent right that is only recognized by the Constitution, not granted by it. 

James Kaleda was arrested for allegedly falsifying info on his FID application. Just be aware that falsification could have dire consequences.

But what did they claim you falsified anyway? 

You can definitely appeal depending on which questions you answered yes or no too.

 

In my town, it is up to the chief to approve the application or not after it clear NJSP.

 

I had a small problem with a pistol permit one time. I got it and never had a problem since

i forgot to mention an arrest that happened in 1995 thinking it was the disorderly charge, and the second one was that i applied before back in 1992 but totally forgot all about it. yes, you are correct, the 2nd ammendment is a constitutional right not a god givin right. i'm definately going to go with a lawyer to help me out on this. thanks again fellows for all your help.

i forgot to mention an arrest that happened in 1995 thinking it was the disorderly charge, and the second one was that i applied before back in 1992 but totally forgot all about it. yes, you are correct, the 2nd ammendment is a constitutional right not a god givin right. i'm definately going to go with a lawyer to help me out on this. thanks again fellows for all your help.

 

"Arrested," or "Convicted?"  I see on the sts-033 (questions 19 & 20) where you must declare if you've been "convicted" of a disorderly person's offense (of up to six months) or a "crime/felony" (of more than six months) respectively (and not had them "expunged" or "sealed"). Nowhere do I see that you are required to declare if you've ever been "arrested."

 

Again, as others have stated, have your lawyer review this thoroughly.

Yeah, you have to be convicted. Charged shouldn't mean anything.

 

 

Also keep us updated.

i forgot to mention an arrest that happened in 1995 thinking it was the disorderly charge, and the second one was that i applied before back in 1992 but totally forgot all about it. yes, you are correct, the 2nd ammendment is a constitutional right not a god givin right. i'm definately going to go with a lawyer to help me out on this. thanks again fellows for all your help.

You applied in 1992 and were denied?

yes, i was denied back in 92 according to the officer. i have 5 disorderly persons convictions on my record, this all happened when i was in my late teens to early 20s. it wasn't even an issue when i joined the army. but i'll keep everyone posted on this. 

N.J.A.C. 13:54-1.5 Prerequisites for a permit to purchase handgun or a firearms purchaser identification card

(a) A permit to purchase a handgun, or a firearm purchaser identification card, shall not be issued to any person:

1. To any person who has been convicted of any crime, or a disorderly persons offense involving an act of domestic violence as defined in section 3 of P.L. 1991, c. 261 (N.J.S.A. 2C:25- 19), whether or not armed with or possessing a weapon at the time of such offense;

 

 

 

I have a tough time buying that you "forgot" five disorderly persons convictions, rufus70.  

would you mind telling us exactly what "i have 5 disorderly persons convictions" means.... what did you do?

i forgot to mention an arrest that happened in 1995 thinking it was the disorderly charge, and the second one was that i applied before back in 1992 but totally forgot all about it. yes, you are correct, the 2nd ammendment is a constitutional right not a god givin right. i'm definately going to go with a lawyer to help me out on this. thanks again fellows for all your help.

 

Forgot to mention an Arrest ..... You mean Arrest(S) and convictions... that would be a good reason why you were denied.  That's not something a person would forget.  I would be more concerned about being arrested for falsifying that on your application.

 

 

N.J.A.C. 13:54-1.5 Prerequisites for a permit to purchase handgun or a firearms purchaser identification card

(a) A permit to purchase a handgun, or a firearm purchaser identification card, shall not be issued to any person:

1. To any person who has been convicted of any crime, or a disorderly persons offense involving an act of domestic violence as defined in section 3 of P.L. 1991, c. 261 (N.J.S.A. 2C:25- 19), whether or not armed with or possessing a weapon at the time of such offense;

 

 

 

I have a tough time buying that you "forgot" five disorderly persons convictions, rufus70.  

 

 

I would have to agree. Its not like you were 16 years old and just being a dumb kid. You were in your twenties... I find it suspect how you put it " you screwed up on your application.

 

and

 

"i am very fustrated because all i want to do is exercise my god givin right to keep and bear arms as a law abiding american."

 

The key words are Law Abiding American. If you were convicted of 5 crimes would you consider yourself law abiding? That's usually a statement reserved for those who are denied without reason.  This should be a lesson to everyone....  When you are NOT a law abiding citizen you lose certain rights reserved for those who follow the law.

For the record i'm not breaking you balls here but your initial statement and your statement on a prior post seems to be a Deceiving.

R u a troll?

 

rufus70, on 15 May 2013 - 02:30 AM, said:

this whole FID system is unconstitutional, i mean really, i don't need a permit to go to my local synagogue or to exocise my 1st amendment so why do i need "permission" to purchase a firearm. the FID system needs to be repealed as it infringes on our 2nd amendment right. what are everyone's feelings on this issue ?

 

Do you actually goto synagogue? or was that some strange point you were making?

 

"FID system needs to be repealed as it infringes on our 2nd amendment right." The FID system sucks but everyone here passes and holds an FID regardless of the hoops we have to jump through. the 2nd ad is here to protect those without a criminal past.

 

You are being judged on your past crimes just as you are being judged on your previous post.

 

I wonder if you would even pass a Nics check?

yes, i was denied back in 92 according to the officer. i have 5 disorderly persons convictions on my record, this all happened when i was in my late teens to early 20s. it wasn't even an issue when i joined the army. but i'll keep everyone posted on this. 

 

 

You "forgot"  

 

I was born at night......... but not last night..... 

 

Sorry dude..... but the system is "working" ....   you probably should not own guns...... 

mmm.... my bullshit-o-meter is twiddling as well on this one.