On Wednesday afternoon and evening 4/1 the Outdoor Channel will air a special from Katie Pavlich of Townhall.com, 'Safe Haven'. The show will chronicle the role gun free zones have historically played in various shootings.

 

The show airs multiple times starting mid-afternoon Wednesday. Depending on your cable/satellite system you may or may not see a program description for 'Safe Haven'.

Preaching to the choir on the Outdoor Channel.

Hopefully this will get attention on some other networks/media also, but I doubt it.

I cannot believe with the amount I pay for all the stupid channels I could care about I would have to pay extra to get this one

Preaching to the choir on the Outdoor Channel.

Hopefully this will get attention on some other networks/media also, but I doubt it.

That's certainly true. But at least we may find some additional information, or correlation, to use when appropriate in other venues.

Something occurred to me today. Of the 11,000 gun murders per year in the U.S., how many occur in gun-free zones as opposed to other places? How about mass shootings? Anyone have any statistics? 

 

Because gun-free zones make up only a tiny fraction of civilization. 

 

Proportionally speaking, if you take the ratio of square feet of GFZs to non-GFZs, and the ratio of murders in GFZs to non-GFZs, how do they match up? I guess it would depend on how you define non-GFZs but a good first approximation might be areas above a certain population density.

 

 

 

 

Preaching to the choir on the Outdoor Channel.

Hopefully this will get attention on some other networks/media also, but I doubt it.

 

Took the words right out of my mouth!

 

Hey Newtonian, nice new icon!  It's still scary, but not as tough to look at as your last one.  

Something occurred to me today. Of the 11,000 gun murders per year in the U.S., how many occur in gun-free zones as opposed to other places? How about mass shootings? Anyone have any statistics? 

The one stat I remember is that of all the (real) mass shootings in the last 20 years only two did not occur in a gun free zone. I'm sure Katie will be going over and documenting all of that.

Just about every shooting that takes place in NJ or NYC is effectively in a gun free zone!

The one stat I remember is that of all the (real) mass shootings in the last 20 years only two did not occur in a gun free zone. I'm sure Katie will be going over and documenting all of that.

 

 

Mass shootings are relatively rare and the number of victims tiny, I believe about 200 per year. That's less than 2% of all gun murders. The more significant number IMO is total murders. If you throw in all the one-off killings maybe you'd get 230 or 250. Is that still high if you compare acreage or population density? I have no idea. The stats would be difficult to run if for no other reason than defining those non-GFZs. 

 

"All but two mass killings" is just one way to look at it.

 

When you think about it the perps seem to be attracted to their natural milieu. If you're a teenager that would be school, not the local supermarket. 

Took the words right out of my mouth!

 

Hey Newtonian, nice new icon!  It's still scary, but not as tough to look at as your last one.

 

Agreed on both points

I cannot believe with the amount I pay for all the stupid channels I could care about I would have to pay extra to get this one

Yep its $5 and gives you a bunch of other channels I never watch. Outdoor I do watch though.

this was a good watch, you can see it online at the outdoor channel as well.  some very good points are made.  share it around, i have been.

I DVR'd it, and have seen about 2/3's of it so far.  It's very well done, using facts and logic, the enemies of liberals (or progressives, as they

now prefer to be called).  Unfortunately, on the Outdoor Channel it's going to mostly be seen by people like us, who already agree.

It would be great to see something like that in the mainstream media.

What is the name of the show she was on?

 

Something occurred to me today. Of the 11,000 gun murders per year in the U.S., how many occur in gun-free zones as opposed to other places? How about mass shootings? Anyone have any statistics? 

 

Because gun-free zones make up only a tiny fraction of civilization.

 

Proportionally speaking, if you take the ratio of square feet of GFZs to non-GFZs, and the ratio of murders in GFZs to non-GFZs, how do they match up? I guess it would depend on how you define non-GFZs but a good first approximation might be areas above a certain population density.

 

In the past 50 years, 1 public mass shooting has occurred outside of a gun free zone.

 

Mass shootings are relatively rare and the number of victims tiny, I believe about 200 per year.

The maximum since 2000 was 92 in a year, in 2012. Even Diane Feinstein admits (she actually thinks she's making a point) that 100 are killed in mass shootings per year (a substantial exaggeration) and 100 people are killed per year by "assault weapons." And, the two are not even remotely related, as most mass shootings occur with handguns, including Virginia Tech (with 10 and 15 round mags).

 

(NOTE: You will note the latest FBI report says differently, because for the first time ever it has been politicized and they changed the standards and fudged the numbers. Around 32 of their mass shootings included no fatalities and about 35 included 1 person shot out of a total of 160 "incidents." They also left out numerous mass shootings early in the period starting 2000 (those were low years anyway) and added ones that didn't count in later years to show an upward trend. There has been no upward trend in mass shootings in the past 30 years, but that was obviously their goal so it makes their fabricated data a little troublesome to work with.)

Took the words right out of my mouth!

 

Hey Newtonian, nice new icon!  It's still scary, but not as tough to look at as your last one.  

The last one was the infamous Poconos Bounty Hunter. If you can't name the current one please provide an address where the death squad can meet you

 

 

In the past 50 years, 1 public mass shooting has occurred outside of a gun free zone.

 

 

The maximum since 2000 was 92 in a year, in 2012. Even Diane Feinstein admits (she actually thinks she's making a point) that 100 are killed in mass shootings per year (a substantial exaggeration) and 100 people are killed per year by "assault weapons." And, the two are not even remotely related, as most mass shootings occur with handguns, including Virginia Tech (with 10 and 15 round mags).

 

(NOTE: You will note the latest FBI report says differently, because for the first time ever it has been politicized and they changed the standards and fudged the numbers. Around 32 of their mass shootings included no fatalities and about 35 included 1 person shot out of a total of 160 "incidents." They also left out numerous mass shootings early in the period starting 2000 (those were low years anyway) and added ones that didn't count in later years to show an upward trend. There has been no upward trend in mass shootings in the past 30 years, but that was obviously their goal so it makes their fabricated data a little troublesome to work with.)

As I suspected. But perhaps the numbers even up. Maybe fewer people per square foot get killed in GFZs than elsewhere. Maybe more. Would be interesting to run the numbers.

 

Regardless it's obvious that if you were bent on mischief and wanted to commit mass murder you'd go to a GFZ. 

I would guess that most murders nowadays do not occur in gun free zones. Like you said, gun free zones represent an infinitesimal portion of US real estate, even if weighted for population density at any moment. However, it would not surprise me to hear they are more likely in gun free zones on a per capita basis. Like that bozo shot in Jersey trying to rob a place and complaining that "you can't own a gun in Jersey!" Of course gun free zones will draw violent criminals, provided the choice is convenient and the gun free zone has something to criminalize. Just like how criminals like to rob places off of interstates, and will go out of their way to do so.

 

I think mass shootings are different because the common motivations draw people to these areas like post offices (LOL), schools, etc. And also clearly because many of the perpetrators have intentionally selected gun free zones for a less personalized brand of mayhem to avoid resistance. We know for certain that calculation has been made by many of them but I think it is the less frequent of the two. Just my guess, I don't know for sure.

Did gun-free zones exist anywhere 50 years ago?  The gun free school zones act is only 25 years old, and I can't think of an example older than that.   Couple of towns in Illinois banned handguns in the '80's, but even they didn't go 'gun free'.

can watch for free online

 

http://outdoorchannel.com/showvideos.aspx?show-id=25702