Just got a newsletter from my town that says the following:

 

Township ordinances prohibit signs attached, affixed, or painted on trees, rocks, natural features, fences, utility poles, light poles, signs attached to other signs and signs placed upon motor vehicles parked in a conspicuous location to serve as a sign.  Garage sale signs are limited to 4 square feet and must be removed after a three day period.

I bet it does not apply to election time and "vote for me" signs. Shame.

What town is this?

Randolph (Morris County)

I bet it does not apply to election time and "vote for me" signs. Shame.

This..   guaranteed... 

Our town has similar ordinances for some time now. They are not trying to stop free speech. It's an effort to stop defacing and destroying property. Ever look at telephone poles in a town for instance? Loaded with junk, staples, nails, etc. If you think about it, they are not your poles.

The fact is, unless it is yours, hands off. Same with posting garage sale stuff. No more on poles. Use your own sign and stick. They tell you the size and where ya can put them. Most towns also already have permit processes and certain days you can have sales, etc.

 

People also don't clean up their crap. I've seen times when signs are falling apart from being so old hanging by one staple.

Think of it as a quality of life issue. Nobody wants that crap all over. Looks like hell.

 

Now on the other hand, best be sure to bitch about campaign signs. They get way out of hand. These effing politicians not only need to heed the laws they right, but just how many effing signs you need in a small area. We get it. Doesn't take a dozen signs on a small road island which is 100 sqft.

 

 

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Many years ago I learned that is how it works in New Jersey. Local ordinance states everything is prohibited.  Just like firearms. That way the people in power can choose to ignore violations or not.  I was cited for a sign advertising gas prices lower than the competition. First I was told I had to move the sign back from the highway and even with the building. Then I was told I couldn't have it at all.  I checked the township regs and found I was only allowed one sign for my gas station. Even the price signs on top of the pumps were contrary to township ordinance. But they were required by the state. I could have a sign identifying the business only. Even signs inside that could be seen from the road through a window were prohibited. Unless of course, you were a member of the township council like my competition down the street. The zoning police let him and most others slide.

 

This was Hopewell township but most are similar.

Edited September 16, 201511 yr by NJJim

Our town has similar ordinances for some time now. They are not trying to stop free speech. It's an effort to stop defacing and destroying property. Ever look at telephone poles in a town for instance? Loaded with junk, staples, nails, etc. If you think about it, they are not your poles.

The fact is, unless it is yours, hands off. Same with posting garage sale stuff. No more on poles. Use your own sign and stick. They tell you the size and where ya can put them. Most towns also already have permit processes and certain days you can have sales, etc.

 

People also don't clean up their crap. I've seen times when signs are falling apart from being so old hanging by one staple.

Think of it as a quality of life issue. Nobody wants that crap all over. Looks like hell.

 

Now on the other hand, best be sure to bitch about campaign signs. They get way out of hand. These effing politicians not only need to heed the laws they right, but just how many effing signs you need in a small area. We get it. Doesn't take a dozen signs on a small road island which is 100 sqft.

 

 

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I understand your point, and agree to it - but this also includes your rock, your fence, your car, etc...

Many years ago I learned that is how it works in New Jersey. Local ordinance states everything is prohibited.  Just like firearms. That way the people in power can choose to ignore violations or not.  I was cited for a sign advertising gas prices lower than the competition. First I was told I had to move the sign back from the highway and even with the building. Then I was told I couldn't have it at all.  I checked the township regs and found I was only allowed one sign for my gas station. Even the price signs on top of the pumps were contrary to township ordinance. But they were required by the state. I could have a sign identifying the business only. Even signs inside that could be seen from the road through a window were prohibited. Unless of course, you were a member of the township council like my competition down the street. The zoning police let him and most others slide.

 

This was Hopewell township but most are similar.

That is interesting about signs in your window.  I had a store in Morristown for years and they have all sorts of rules covering banners and signs and how long they can go up for.  They tried to fine me once.  I told them to pound salt that the ordinance addresses outdoor signs only and mine was inside the store against the windows.  That was the last I ever heard from them about their crap rule.

I am for free speech and all but I also tend to agree with these ordinances. I cant even begin to tell you how many signs I find in the streams I fish and it pisses me off to no end. I always carry a garbage bag when I am fishing and pick up any trash I see along the way but its a pain in the ass to carry these signs while walking the river. On top of that I live on a corner lot and people think its ok to put campaign, advertisement, and garage sale signs in my front yard without permission and that's when I loose it. I'll bitch at them if I see them placing the signs but if I come home and find the signs I torch them LOL  

Just got a newsletter from my town that says the following:

 

Township ordinances prohibit signs attached, affixed, or painted on trees, rocks, natural features, fences, utility poles, light poles, signs attached to other signs and signs placed upon motor vehicles parked in a conspicuous location to serve as a sign.  Garage sale signs are limited to 4 square feet and must be removed after a three day period.

It does not mention signs on a wire frame. That is how the politicians get away with t.

On top of that I live on a corner lot and people think its ok to put campaign, advertisement, and garage sale signs in my front yard without permission and that's when I loose it. I'll bitch at them if I see them placing the signs but if I come home and find the signs I torch them LOL  

Careful with election signs, they are PROTECTED by state law from being disturbed believe it or not! Just make sure you own the land!

I am for free speech and all but I also tend to agree with these ordinances. I cant even begin to tell you how many signs I find in the streams I fish and it pisses me off to no end. I always carry a garbage bag when I am fishing and pick up any trash I see along the way but its a pain in the ass to carry these signs while walking the river. On top of that I live on a corner lot and people think its ok to put campaign, advertisement, and garage sale signs in my front yard without permission and that's when I loose it. I'll bitch at them if I see them placing the signs but if I come home and find the signs I torch them LOL  

That is something totally different than telling you that you cannot paint a sign on a rock that you own.  Your rights don't extend to doing things on others' property - but to say you can't do it on your own just seems wrong.

Campaign signs in particular are a pet peeve of mine. There are a few spots near me that are public property (probably town property) that are covered with the damn things every year from late September until mid-spring when they reemerge after the snow melts. There have been times that I've voted for the guy that didn't cover the area with signs, for that reason. 

 

I'd love to see an ordinance that required a sticker be placed on all campaign signs that are located anyplace other than private property, the stickers could cost a small amount, maybe $1, and any sign without a sticker would be removed immediately. The proceeds could go towards paying the town employees to remove the signs after the election, that's who removes most of 'em anyway and I'd rather see the campaigns fund the removal instead of my tax dollars.

Careful with election signs, they are PROTECTED by state law from being disturbed believe it or not! Just make sure you own the land!

Its defiantly my property no question about it.

 

That is something totally different than telling you that you cannot paint a sign on a rock that you own.  Your rights don't extend to doing things on others' property - but to say you can't do it on your own just seems wrong.

I completely agree, if its on your property then you should be able to put up whatever you want but you should also be held responsible if your sign ends up as litter.  

You may want to look at this before you give the homeowner carte blanche to put as many signs on his property as he wants.

 

 

http://newjersey.news12.com/news/morristown-man-posts-signs-on-property-protesting-against-rent-stacking-1.10849277

 

http://morristowngreen.com/2015/09/15/morristown-mans-stacking-of-anti-stacking-signs-tests-free-speech-and-tempers/

A friend of mine went through hell with his township over a small sign for his stereo store. How he fixed the problem is he threatened to paint this old school he has into a giant sign and put it in his driveway. All of a sudden his small sign was ok.

I bet it does not apply to election time and "vote for me" signs. Shame.

Exactly....hypocrisy

Unfortunately, people from Jersey bring this crap with them. Most of us really are like swarms of locusts or cockroaches. They did it in a township near me several years ago. Has nothing to do with signs on telephone poles, or signs in streams, or trash, they just don't want signs on your property at all. Including farmers. Farms can only put up a sign for 90 days and it has to be pretty small, 3 x 4 I think. 1 foot by 1 foot signs are OK though.

 

As soon as we move in, we want to make everything just like the place we left. And we usually get away with it.

You may want to look at this before you give the homeowner carte blanche to put as many signs on his property as he wants.

 

 

http://newjersey.news12.com/news/morristown-man-posts-signs-on-property-protesting-against-rent-stacking-1.10849277

 

http://morristowngreen.com/2015/09/15/morristown-mans-stacking-of-anti-stacking-signs-tests-free-speech-and-tempers/

Don't really see much of a problem there. How would you feel if you had illegal housing all around you and town was ignoring you?

 

Good for him!

Don't really see much of a problem there. How would you feel if you had illegal housing all around you and town was ignoring you?

 

Good for him!

Ignore the subject matter, as that will not always be the same.

(I have no issue with what he is protesting)

 

In this case his signs are leading to this.

 

http://www.dailyrecord.com/videos/news/2015/09/16/32534005/

Unfortunately, people from Jersey bring this crap with them. Most of us really are like swarms of locusts or cockroaches. They did it in a township near me several years ago. Has nothing to do with signs on telephone poles, or signs in streams, or trash, they just don't want signs on your property at all. Including farmers. Farms can only put up a sign for 90 days and it has to be pretty small, 3 x 4 I think. 1 foot by 1 foot signs are OK though.

 

As soon as we move in, we want to make everything just like the place we left. And we usually get away with it.

 

It's not just New Jersey and the impact is not only on the surrounding states. It seems to be a personality trait of northeasterners, especially New England, and it seems to be getting transplanted as far south as the coastal communities of North and South Carolina.