I don't see much talk around here on the AR 80% lowers. But I came across this and thought it might start a firestorm.

http://www.polymer80.com/Polymer80-Spectre-80-Pistol-Frame_p_1788.html

 

Will cost more to build then just to buy one. But then again what doesn't?

Cant complete them in NJ without a manufacturers license technically

Because of what BLF said above about the only 80% talk we have around here is if I buy it in PA. finish it in PA can I blah blah blah...

I can understand crap on the pistol, cause they have to be registered. Long guns don't need to be. How would they prove you didn't build it in Pa? How is that written into law? 

I can understand crap on the pistol, cause they have to be registered. Long guns don't need to be. How would they prove you didn't build it in Pa? How is that written into law? 

 Big Brother is always watching you.

No person shall engage in the business of, or act as a manufacturer or wholesale dealer of firearms, or manufacture or sell at wholesale any firearm, until he has so registered.

 

I can understand crap on the pistol, cause they have to be registered. Long guns don't need to be. How would they prove you didn't build it in Pa? How is that written into law? 

And thats the discussion.... 

 Big Brother is always watching you.

 

So If I bought a complete stripped lower to build AR-15 rifle by attaching it to a complete upper, would that be considered manufacturing and would need to be registered?

No.

No. There is only handgun registration in NJ.

 

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No.

No. There is only handgun registration in NJ.

 

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Oh ok, thank you.

Whats the difference? I buy a stripped lower and complete the weapon. Or I buy an 80% and complete the weapon.

Whats the difference? I buy a stripped lower and complete the weapon. Or I buy an 80% and complete the weapon.

one is assembly, the other manufacturing.

Slippery slope.

I think a lawyer would be able to debunk that pretty quick. Manufacturing implies intent to sell. (I would think. But then again this is NJ)
Has anyone ever been arrested and prosecuted for building their own AR?

part of NJ's definition of a manufacturer is any person who obtains parts and processes them into firearms or finished parts of firearms....Right from Nappens NJ gun law book page 107 so there's the lawyer speak.The 80% is the part and machining/finishing is the process. Thats not the slipperry slope, its pretty straight-forward. Doing the PA (or other out of state)dosy-doe might be. You can assemble/build your own AR from finished parts, many of us do, no big thing.  Now stop making me defend NJ's assinine laws! lol

The polymer80 site is sparse on details.  I assume that polymer lower is designed to work with glock slides/internals/magazines?

 

What is the finishing process? Milling out the fire control pockets/magazine well?

 

Pondered this question myself regarding 80% 1911 frames.  One company sells an 80% frame and a jig/cutting tools that allow you to mill out the rails by hand only.

 

Was thinking about getting one, chucking it in the back of the car and then next time I take a trip to another state without a manufacturing prohibition I'd finish the rails there and then bring the finished frame back home to assemble.

 Now stop making me defend NJ's assinine laws! lol

Well somebody's gotta do it! lol

 I did do a search and couldn't find much.

Whats the difference? I buy a stripped lower and complete the weapon. Or I buy an 80% and complete the weapon.

 

Did you start with something that isn't defined as a firearm by ATF (80% lower/frame/receiver), and ended up with something that is defined as a firearm by ATF  (100%lower/frame/receiver)?  You've manufactured.

 

Did you starting with something that IS defined as a firearm by ATF, and ended up with something that IS STILL defined as a firearm by ATF?  You've assembled.

That's a bit clearer. But again, this is New Jersey. It doesn't need to be.

 

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No.

No. There is only handgun registration in NJ.

 

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and even that is only because they keep track of pistol permits.  

That's a bit clearer. But again, this is New Jersey. It doesn't need to be.

 

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If you buy a lower or frame, it is a serialized part that must go thru an FFL at some point. Receiver=gun=FFL or private party second hand.

 

An 80% is nothing. No serial, background check, etc.

 

Raw 1911 frames have been available for years. Thats a true make your own gun project.

As long as the finished product was NJ compliant, would this also pertain to finishing an 80% lower but building an AR pistol out of it? Or is there some other law saying one can't do that?

You can't build an AR Pistol to be under 50 oz.

 

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You can't build an AR Pistol to be under 50 oz.

 

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I guess you can...just don't know why you'd want to except for a range toy.

http://extarguns.com/

That is buying, not building. BTW, I sell those.

 

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You can't build an AR Pistol to be under 50 oz.

 

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You are saying you can't physically make it under 50oz correct? If you were able to you could legally do it. Or am I missing something

You are saying you can't physically make it under 50oz correct? If you were able to you could legally do it. Or am I missing something

You may legally do it, but I have yet to see someone other than a manufacturer do it.

 

 

I wonder if you could do it with a lightweight 22 barrel since you wouldn't really need a buffer tube or gas system.

If I wanted a .22 pistol I would buy one. Or, I guess make one for the sake or discussion. I would not make an 80% AR receiver into a .22 pistol. Talk about going around the barn!

 

And, for clarity, as alluded to above once (but confusingly referred to numerously) you do not have to register handguns in Jersey. Whenever you buy or transfer one in Jersey they register it by the PP Form. But if you didn't buy it in Jersey it's not registered.