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Bizarre. 5 to 10 years for stopping for lunch but just 18 months for illegal possession and actually shooting someone.

 

Welcome to New Jersey.

How many people have been sent to prison for stopping for lunch, gas, restroom, etc while transporting a handgun to or from a legal destination?

I would love to know the numbers on that also

How many people have been sent to prison for stopping for lunch, gas, restroom, etc while transporting a handgun to or from a legal destination?

Doesn't the fact that it can happen matter?

Sure

Seems you would be better off being a criminal in this State than being a law abiding citizen.

How many people have been sent to prison for stopping for lunch, gas, restroom, etc while transporting a handgun to or from a legal destination?

Like Westy said, it can happen or at least fighting it and all the costs, anxiety, etc can take its toll on you, and thats the OP's point. If its such a non-issue why did the State withdraw its offer to put in writing and clarify that they could in fact be reasonable deviations. And they were willing to do just that but paired it with some other pork brl anti law that was not acceptable, forget the specifics .

How many people have been sent to prison for stopping for lunch, gas, restroom, etc while transporting a handgun to or from a legal destination?

We're Fing doomed.

 

Griz, are you trying to justify the law that makes it illegal to possess a handgun in NJ outside of very specific places and circumstances, or are you trying to justify the part of the law that provides ambiguous legal peril if you are going to or from one of these very specific places under these very specific circumstances? I want to know which level of insanity we are working on here before I get in too deep.

 

Or, did the whole thing go over my head, and you are justifying 18 months for "illegal" carry and shooting someone versus things like, oh, I don't know, Brian Aitken not shooting anybody and getting 7 years for guns in his trunk at his apartment?

 

Seriously, has it come to the point that we can no longer recognize the disparity in treatment of criminals that fucking shoot people vs. people that just exercise their Second Amendment Rights slightly outside the laws of Jersey while hurting no one?

 

I think the concept is damn real and pretty valid and I'm not going to look for little technicalities to justify Sweeny's side of the argument.

 

Legal is legal and illegal is illegal. Were you the guy that asked when was the last time somebody got busted for an HP outside of other criminal activity? I posted a recent article a couple months later. Guess what? When people like you, Griz, are busted for doing absolutely nothing wrong except being found with a gun, and a cop and a judge decide you shouldn't have had it, it doesn't make the news very often.

 

Yes, NJ laws are just fine because Griz never saw anybody busted. Let criminals that shoot people off with a slap on the wrist and keep 5 to 10 year punishments on the books for law abiding citizens that have a handgun.

I would love to know the numbers on that also

We do make a big deal out of it don't we? But the fact that the law is on the books matters. I don't know how many illegal possession arrests occur. Ask Shaneen Allen.

 

OK, change it to "driving back from a hike and a cop bamboozles you into a search and he sees the .357 magnum you took along because you don't want a bear to eat you is 5-10 but actually shooting someone only gets you 18 months including time served."

I'm with you on this....I want to know the numbers because I feel even 1 is too many for something so ridiculous.

Nobody thought you would ever be pinched for an unpinned stock in your own basement. But It did. Never say never

Nobody thought you would ever be pinched for an unpinned stock in your own basement. But It did. Never say never

This state is something else

NJ politicians + The judicial system =   

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LMAO

How many people have been sent to prison for stopping for lunch, gas, restroom, etc while transporting a handgun to or from a legal destination?

Really? How quickly we forget what a shit pile Brian Aitkin's life has become for having unloaded guns in his trunk.

 

http://www.vice.com/read/my-life-as-a-convicted-gun-offender-who-did-nothing-wrong

On the gun charge alone this animal deserved at least what Aitken got, especially since the intent of possession was to inflict bodily harm or kill. And to have any teeth the law must provide for consecutive sentences. Otherwise in many cases the gun charge becomes meaningless. In this particular case it was less than meaningless because they only applied the "lesser charge," which in this case happened to be shooting someone.

 

Liberals have always been against mandatory minimums for crimes facilitated by a gun. They have no problem applying those sentences for individuals whose only "crime" is the gun.

Like Westy said, it can happen or at least fighting it and all the costs, anxiety, etc can take its toll on you, and thats the OP's point. If its such a non-issue why did the State withdraw its offer to put in writing and clarify that they could in fact be reasonable deviations. And they were willing to do just that but paired it with some other pork brl anti law that was not acceptable, forget the specifics .

You are better off with "reasonable deviations" than the Sweeney offer. If you were not within the confines of the reasonable deviations proposal you're guilty. Thats it.

 

You won't find a court case where an otherwise law abiding citizen was arrested because they stopped for something to eat, use the bathroom or for gas bease there isn't any. A prosecutor would have a hard time convincing a jury you should have crapped your pants on the way home from the range.

We're Fing doomed.

Griz, are you trying to justify the law that makes it illegal to possess a handgun in NJ outside of very specific places and circumstances, or are you trying to justify the part of the law that provides ambiguous legal peril if you are going to or from one of these very specific places under these very specific circumstances? I want to know which level of insanity we are working on here before I get in too deep.

Or, did the whole thing go over my head, and you are justifying 18 months for "illegal" carry and shooting someone versus things like, oh, I don't know, Brian Aitken not shooting anybody and getting 7 years for guns in his trunk at his apartment?

Seriously, has it come to the point that we can no longer recognize the disparity in treatment of criminals that fucking shoot people vs. people that just exercise their Second Amendment Rights slightly outside the laws of Jersey while hurting no one?

I think the concept is damn real and pretty valid and I'm not going to look for little technicalities to justify Sweeny's side of the argument.

Legal is legal and illegal is illegal. Were you the guy that asked when was the last time somebody got busted for an HP outside of other criminal activity? I posted a recent article a couple months later. Guess what? When people like you, Griz, are busted for doing absolutely nothing wrong except being found with a gun, and a cop and a judge decide you shouldn't have had it, it doesn't make the news very often.

Yes, NJ laws are just fine because Griz never saw anybody busted. Let criminals that shoot people off with a slap on the wrist and keep 5 to 10 year punishments on the books for law abiding citizens that have a handgun.

Yez, we can be doomed with people like you making false assumptions and commenting what you "think" I believe. What you think I believe based on a totally unrelated question has already put you in too deep. Your rants will continue no doubt.

 

Don't use Aitken or Allen as poster children because they're not. Not that they deserved what happened to them. Aitken set himself up. He said something to get his mother upset and call 911, he came back to his mother's, talked with the police for over an hour, and let police search his car. He also had different stories at different times.

 

Allen said she was headed to AC to plan a party for her son. Where? At a strip bar? How many little kids have their birthday party in AC?

 

Where are all these people arrested for stopping at Dunkin Donuts going to or from a range? There isn't any. Doesn't make the law okay but it certainly isn't used much if at all.

 

The only thing you got right in your rant is I'm the guy who's always asking for a case of someone charged with possession of hollowpoints outside of other criminal activity. The only post I remember from you IIRC Is about some EMT who stopped at the scene of an accident and a NJSP trooper arresting him. However, you didn't post a link so you could have made it up as far as anyone knows.

 

I did, a few years ago, find a news story about someone charged with poss of hollowpoints but that was over 10 years earlier.

 

If getting arrested for poss of hollowpoints in NJ is so common how come no stories? Please link your post regarding the person arrested for hollowpoints. That would make 2 in the past 15 years or so.

Really? How quickly we forget what a shit pile Brian Aitkin's life has become for having unloaded guns in his trunk.

 

http://www.vice.com/read/my-life-as-a-convicted-gun-offender-who-did-nothing-wrong

Aitken set himself up for what happened to him.

 

He continues to tell half truths in the link you posted. He claims CBP seized his passport when he was going to England. The only blanket ban on foreign travel is for felons who were involved in drug smuggling. Fact is because of his felon status he wouldn't have been admitted to England. Does he deserve all this? No, but he largely has himself to blame for it happening.

 Aitken set himself up. He said something to get his mother upset and call 911, he came back to his mother's, talked with the police for over an hour, and let police search his car. He also had different stories at different times.

Haha he said something that go his mother upset! OMG, that's amazing. Next thing I hear is that he pissed off his wife because he didn't feel like drying the dishes.

 

I've done that 150 times (with both) and neither one ever called the cops on me. Don't you recognize BULLSHIT when you see it?

 

How can you guys continue to blame the victims of unfair laws when it is the perpetrators who deserve 100% of your criticism?

Haha he said something that go his mother upset! OMG, that's amazing. Next thing I hear is that he pissed off his wife because he didn't feel like drying the dishes.

 

I've done that 150 times (with both) and neither one ever called the cops on me. Don't you recognize BULLSHIT when you see it?

 

How can you guys continue to blame the victims of unfair laws when it is the perpetrators who deserve 100% of your criticism?

I believe what GRIZ was talking about his mother getting upset was because he was talking about killing himself.

 

If you were depressed and talking about killing yourself, do you think your wife or mother might call the police if you got into a car and drove off? A little different than your analogy.

Haha he said something that go his mother upset! OMG, that's amazing. Next thing I hear is that he pissed off his wife because he didn't feel like drying the dishes.

 

I've done that 150 times (with both) and neither one ever called the cops on me. Don't you recognize BULLSHIT when you see it?

 

How can you guys continue to blame the victims of unfair laws when it is the perpetrators who deserve 100% of your criticism?

 

I suggest you sort out the bull spewed by whoever you're defending before you do so. NJ pilot gave part of my response so I'm not going to repeat it. Aitken has worked hard to make himself a martyr and continues to whine whenever he gets a chance. What happened to him shouldn't have but he sure helped it along.

 

I've never defended NJ's restrictive gun laws. They are truly ridiculous on their own and moreso when compared to most of the states. I also have seen much many more abuses of plea bargaining like 18 months for trying to kill someone. I've seen 12 bumpkins let a criminal walk.

I believe what GRIZ was talking about his mother getting upset was because he was talking about killing himself.

 

If you were depressed and talking about killing yourself, do you think your wife or mother might call the police if you got into a car and drove off? A little different than your analogy.

This report, which is complete, concise, and factual, says nothing about suicide. It says he was distraught about the circumstances described in the article, namely being separated from his child and having to drive back and forth to Colorado. That is no reason to call the police on your son. How did she expect the cops to relieve his distress? Maybe give him a nice massage?

 

He was then entrapped into returning to these cops' jurisdiction, arrested for having transported his guns legally, and at the trial the judge barred testimony indicating that he was trying to comply with the law. And then he was sentenced to seven years and his life was ruined. As a felon he's still not allowed to own a gun and still to my knowledge has not been allowed to see his son.

 

That sounds like a pretty shitty deal to me. If you guys want to accuse him of making the most of it, or bringing it on himself, you have a pretty strange view of justice.

Hey Newt, I was just pointing out why his mother called the police. Maybe it wasn't the word suicide. Maybe at the time the news reports said she was afraid he would hurt himself.

 

I don't think he was treated fairly at all and believe me, I think jersey laws are fucked up.

 

One main reason I escaped that he'll hole and will never go back.

Hey Newt, I was just pointing out why his mother called the police. Maybe it wasn't the word suicide. Maybe at the time the news reports said she was afraid he would hurt himself.

 

I don't think he was treated fairly at all and believe me, I think jersey laws are fucked up.

 

One main reason I escaped that he'll hole and will never go back.

We all go back and forth about this sort of thing, over and over.

 

"Ignorance of the law is no excuse." Fine. "Joe should have known!!!!" "Mike knew the goddamn law!!!" Maybe they couldn't or didn't. Maybe they were following common sense, their upbringing, common practice where they live.

 

Legal scholars, who first enunciated the concept of ignorance = it's your fault go to hell, nevertheless acknowledge that irrational, unreasonable laws exist and that individuals can become ensnared in them. I've mentioned several times the ease with which individuals might be accused (and 93% of the time convicted) of a federal crime. The Law, she is a Whore.

 

A 23 year old mechanic raised and bred in Scot Run ("Scrotum," in my vernacular) with a carry license cannot possibly be expected, unless he took a course in Interstate Gun Pseudo-Law, to know that he was suddenly a criminal by crossing via Rte. 80 into New Jersey. The point: HOW CAN AN ACT WITH ZERO LEGAL CONSEQUENCES IN EASTON CARRY A POTENTIAL 10 YEAR JAIL LIABILITY IN PHILLIPSBURG? That fact alone negates, in my opinion, any consideration of knowing or not knowing about gun laws in a nearby state. That is the only issue germane to the twist in this discussion.

 

We should never, EVER blame the victims of irrational, vindictive, spiteful legislation. I don't give a crap if it's guns or speech or assembly or drugs or anything. OUR RIGHTS ARE OUR RIGHTS ARE OUR RIGHTS.

 

Was that too many capital letters for individuals from the extreme southern NJ counties or should I re-write it?