A friend of mine is applying for an FPID card and P2Ps at a NSJP barracks. The last name is hyphenated and long, and the last letter was left off the NJ driver's license since it didn't fit. Now at application time, the DL doesn't match the full name the applicant put on the application, or other documents like a passport. Supposedly the state trooper doesn't know how to handle this, or if approval is possible.

 

Has anyone else run into this? And if so, was there a solution offered by the NJSP Firearms Unit?

 

Or possibly, how do you apply for a FPID or P2P if you don't have a driver's license? (Use a passport instead?)

 

 

 

Just like a NICS requirement, a government issued id, or combination of those documents, is probably needed showing a name, photo, dob, and address. I believe that all "Christopher"s have "Christoph" on their drivers licenses.

It shouldn't be a problem if he shows his birth certificate ?

A friend of mine is applying for an FPID card and P2Ps at a NSJP barracks. The last name is hyphenated and long, and the last letter was left off the NJ driver's license since it didn't fit. Now at application time, the DL doesn't match the full name the applicant put on the application, or other documents like a passport. Supposedly the state trooper doesn't know how to handle this, or if approval is possible.

 

Has anyone else run into this? And if so, was there a solution offered by the NJSP Firearms Unit?

 

Or possibly, how do you apply for a FPID or P2P if you don't have a driver's license? (Use a passport instead?)

Passport and social?

Sewer bill to prove address? Flood him with documentation.

 

My fpid has the address shortned cause they ran out of space.

A friend of mine is applying for an FPID card and P2Ps at a NSJP barracks. The last name is hyphenated and long, and the last letter was left off the NJ driver's license since it didn't fit. Now at application time, the DL doesn't match the full name the applicant put on the application, or other documents like a passport. Supposedly the state trooper doesn't know how to handle this, or if approval is possible.

 

Has anyone else run into this? And if so, was there a solution offered by the NJSP Firearms Unit?

A similar issue. It all has to do with the DMV database and how much storage is allotted the fields for first name, last name, etc.

 

See one of the very first threads I ever started on NJGF - Bureaucracy Battles - The problem today is that because DL is *the* hot ID today, even surpassing US Passport,

they (DMV) have to get it right. But the NJ DMV refuses to change the database. Too costly... They want you to change to conform to their stringent data requirement.

 

 

Or possibly, how do you apply for a FPID or P2P if you don't have a driver's license? (Use a passport instead?)

Could the person get a "State ID" instead?   They are issued by the DMV for those who don't drive but want the ID.  If they aren't old enough yet to get a DL, then are they old enough to get a FPID? 

 

Could the person get a "State ID" instead?   They are issued by the DMV for those who don't drive but want the ID.  If they aren't old enough yet to get a DL, then are they old enough to get a FPID? 

 

The applicant already has a DL. I would think the NJSP would recognize the NJDMV name constraint and accept the application with the full name, and DL with the (one letter!) truncation as they are and issue the documents with the full legal name. But then, I'm a reasonable citizen and not the State Of NJ.

 

I'm really waiting to see if there's anyone who has crossed this bridge.

The applicant already has a DL. I would think the NJSP would recognize the NJDMV name constraint and accept the application with the full name, and DL with the (one letter!) truncation as they are and issue the documents with the full legal name. But then, I'm a reasonable citizen and not the State Of NJ.

 

I'm really waiting to see if there's anyone who has crossed this bridge.

 

Oh, OK. I was simply answering your question of how someone could get an FPID without a DL. 

 

I did not want to take the chance about not "matching exactly," so I made the sts-033 match the DL exactly (eg. 2 initials and surname).  Which seemed to work. I would guess that as long as one makes the sts-033 match the identity doc you submit, it will work out.  Maybe there is some latitude in the system these days... not sure. When I applied for my CCWs from AZ, FL, UT, I was able to use first initial & full middle and last names, even though the NJ DL (at the time) still just had the two initials and last name.

Oh, OK. I was simply answering your question of how someone could get an FPID without a DL. 

Right. Since you brought it up, I wonder if the DMV ID card has more room for a long name, and whether they would issue one in addition to a DL? Don't know... yet.

 

Apparently there is no NJSP 'policy' to cover this situation. If someone knows of one please post.

Right. Since you brought it up, I wonder if the DMV ID card has more room for a long name, and whether they would issue one in addition to a DL? Don't know... yet.

 

I believe it's the same database record, and you can only have one or the other, but not both.  If you have a DL, you don't need a State ID, which is only for people who can't/don't drive. 

Just like a NICS requirement, a government issued id, or combination of those documents, is probably needed showing a name, photo, dob, and address. I believe that all "Christopher"s have "Christoph" on their drivers licenses.

PK, you are correct. My son's name is Christopher and it is truncated "Christoph" on his DL.

PK, you are correct. My son's name is Christopher and it is truncated "Christoph" on his DL.

 

I think a lot of these database records were designed back in the "olden days" when disk storage was really expensive. They had to scrimp and save everywhere they could. Thus, short first name, only a middle initial and maybe a longer surname.  Now, disk space is real cheap, but the problem is the cost of converting not only the database, but all the on-line screens, and the printed hard copy forms that also limit the space as well. 

 

Still, they may need to, anyway. As stated earlier, the state ID/DL is now the #1 form of and proof of Identity in the USA, surpassing even the US Passport. It's what everyone wants to see as proof of identity. It does things the US Passport doesn't. If provides a street address, and it's updated more often (usually every 4-5 years, as opposed to 10), and it requires more vetting (6-points, etc.).

 

It wasn't as critical for the name to be correct back when these forms and databases were designed.  But it is, today! Thus, the DMV database had better store one's "full legal name" precisely as it is, rather than as what their bureaucracy will permit. I can see the lawsuits flying against any State DMV that refuses to let the person be known by full legal name.and the person is denied some other govt. service or has legal issues as a result (i.e. denied CCW, or fails NICS, etc, criminal background check issues, court issues, etc. etc.).

Just tell him to change his name to Obama Bin Lyin and he should have no problem getting anything...including a top Federal position.

 

 

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