There is what appears to be a unicorn in South Jersey. What appears to be a PRO 2A discussion being held this Thursday at 7pm Pennington.

 

Will post link soon. If in the area, please attend ti show support. Invite your fence sitting friends to exemplify that it is not "unusual" to be into firearms. Show them there are plenty of other like minded individuals out there.

 

As promised, here is link with RSVP information.

 

http://www.centraljersey.com/news/hopewell_valley_news/pennington-congregation-hosts-gun-control-forum/article_c35c7d10-0001-11e6-a300-079cc13c9de5.html

What indicates to you that this will be "pro 2A" meeting? It is characterized in the heading as a "gun control" seminar. That doesn't sound very positive. We've all seen these tactics before, where a biased presentation is presented as being fair & balanced. If I'm wrong, I'll own up to it, but I consider it best to go into this with low expectations.

 

This is already being discussed elsewhere on the forum.

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob

pennington ≠ south jersey

pennington ≠ south jersey

John,

This is right across Rt 31 from the Starbucks where we meet.

70s North Jersey, currently Central Jersey.

What indicates to you that this will be "pro 2A" meeting? It is characterized in the heading as a "gun control" seminar. That doesn't sound very positive. We've all seen these tactics before, where a biased presentation is presented as being fair & balanced. If I'm wrong, I'll own up to it, but I consider it best to go into this with low expectations.

 

This is already being discussed elsewhere on the forum.

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob

Panelists include Pennsylvania House of Representatives member Steven Santarsiero (D-Bucks); Jonathan Goldstein, an attorney whose practice includes firearms law and is a National Rifle Association-certified pistol instructor; Capt. Timothy Grant of The College of New Jersey police department, and Dr. Arnold Speert, former president of William Paterson University in Wayne.

 

When I first read last night I thought I had read more of the panelist appeared to be on Pro side. I may have misread the credentials of the firearms attorney and NRA pistol instructor. I read as the Capt Timothy Grant being NRA pistol instructor.

 

Aren't alk PA politicians more favirable to firearms according to Mipa (sarcasm).

 

The four pints of beer after work MAY have had something to do with my reading comprehension skills, or lack thereof, last night.

 

At least there is one panelist who is definitely pro. If enough pro people show up to debunk the lies and misinformation of the antis THEN it will be a PRO 2A discussion!

 

I'll update topic thread when I get home. Can't seem to do from phone.

pennington ≠ south jersey

 

Very true. 

Google is your friend...

 

Looking up Steven Santarsiero, I quickly found:

 

 

“Right now in Pennsylvania, a criminal can purchase an assault rifle even though it is illegal for that same criminal to purchase a handgun,” said state Rep. Steve Santarsiero, D-Bucks, who is the prime sponsor of Universal Background Check legislation. “That is something that needs to be fixed now, before the next tragedy strikes. We are here today because we have chosen to act. We are a coalition that is more representative of our community than the NRA, and we will prevail."

 

http://www.pahouse.com/Santarsiero/InTheNews/NewsRelease/?id=72812

 

Four pints of beer aren't going to make him look any better...

Aren't alk PA politicians more favirable to firearms according to Mipa (sarcasm).

 

 

Never suggested any such thing. We have several people comparable to Jersey politicians.

http://www.njgunforums.com/forum/index.php/topic/81067-the-hippies-are-at-it-again/?p=1034960

 

It doesn't appear to be pro-2a.  Just one guy for all the liberals to beat up on.  

Looks like me bob and zack are going. Anyone else out there that has concern to show their thoughts on 2a rights?

If anyone who is going tonight has time to research comparitive firearm information between PA and NJ that could be useful.

 

Info such as examples of PA residents using a firearm outside of their home to protect themselves. Ask why is this acceptable in PA but for a NJ citizen would be a felony and why is it acceptable for NJ to make it's citizens victims in waiting. Use the example of Carol who was murdered in her driveway while waiting for her FID. Ask why woman have the right to protect themselves in PA but not NJ.

 

See if can find stats on firearm violence in PA compared to NJ. Find examples of PA residents coming to NJ and getting in trouble for bringing their handgun with them. A PA corrections officer just had this happen not long ago. Why do PA citizens, and indeed the vast majority of the rest of American citizens, have this right stripped away when they cross the state line into NJ.

If anyone who is going tonight has time to research comparitive firearm information between PA and NJ that could be useful.

 

Info such as examples of PA residents using a firearm outside of their home to protect themselves. Ask why is this acceptable in PA but for a NJ citizen would be a felony and why is it acceptable for NJ to make it's citizens victims in waiting. Use the example of Carol who was murdered in her driveway while waiting for her FID. Ask why woman have the right to protect themselves in PA but not NJ.

 

See if can find stats on firearm violence in PA compared to NJ. Find examples of PA residents coming to NJ and getting in trouble for bringing their handgun with them. A PA corrections officer just had this happen not long ago. Why do PA citizens, and indeed the vast majority of the rest of American citizens, have this right stripped away when they cross the state line into NJ.

One source:  http://www.reddit.com/r/dgu

I am not able to go but It would be outstanding if anyone who attends shares their experience upon return.

As the VP of the Coalition of New Jersey Firearm Owners I wish Jeff Goldstein the absolute best in defending our (meaning all those in the 2A movement) position.  Unfortunately we at CNJFO will be conducting our monthly Board of Trustees meeting (with a FULL agenda) at Mastori's Diner (at the intersection of Rts. 130 and 206 in Bordentown) at the exact same time, so that precludes us from any involvement at this Panel Discussion.

 

That all being said, if there is anyone here who wishes to attend our Trustees Meeting tonight to be "read-in" as to our state of affairs, upcoming projects, community outreach programs, Justifiable Need billboard project timetable, learn how we operate as a 2A Non-Profit, JOIN, or see if we're a good fit for your time/talent/treasure, I'm hereby EXTENDING AN INVITE to those looking towards the FUTURE of 2A activism in NJ.  We have a "Meet and Greet" Dinner and Get-Together from approx. 6:00pm to 7:30pm, at which time the actual Board Meeting starts.  

 

Hoping to hear from some of my fellow 2A Patriots.  

 

David "Rosey" Rosenthal, VP

Coalition of New Jersey Firearm Owners (CNJFO)

http://www.cnjfo.com

http://www.JustifiableNeed.com  

Darn Rosey you just highjacked our thread.

I started a similar discussion on Facebook gun groups. One person noted PA was about 800,000 CCWs and NJ has about 1800. No wild west shoot outs or incredible spikes in firearms violence in PA that I'm aware of. Just citizens who are able to defend themselves if God forbid it's ever necessary.

PA is over 1 million. 1 out of 8 people aged 21 or over.

Darn Rosey you just highjacked our thread.

Sorry, didn't mean to.  It just seemed like the right place to remind folks since there aren't too many of us Patriots that actually "shiv a get" enough to post or show-up to CHANGE THINGS here in NJ.  Most folks on the Forum just lurk in hiding or wanna sell hand guns with safe-action triggers (that they can't hit the broad side of a barn with) so they can run-out and buy the next brand w/ a safe-action trigger, lol.  So NO highjack intended.  I just wanted those most likely that wish to participate to get the message.  Carry-on.

 

Rosey

I attended this forum last night and was impressed with the balance. It actually came down to interaction between two of the panel - the Representative from PA, Steven Santarsiero and the lawyer, Jonathan Goldstein - and it was no contest.

 

The TCNJ captain, Timothy Grant really added nothing to the discussion, and he, like I, is probably still trying to figure out what he was doing there. The former president of William Patterson College, Dr. Arnold Speert, was the moderator and acted only in that capacity.

 

It was a joy to watch Mr. Goldstein represent the Pro-2A faction. He was articulate and easily rebutted everything Mr. Santarsiero, as the keynote speaker, had to say, and he did it without being combative. I'm not sure that the audience fully grasped the differences, as Mr. Santarsiero is a very slick, and well-spoken politician and the audience was definitely biased going in, so for Mr. Goldstein to sway them in the least was a real accomplishment - and I saw many heads nodding in agreement while he was speaking.

 

Mr. Santarsiero was well vested in the latest anti-gun paradigm of no longer calling it  "Gun Control" but now "Gun Safety", thus further obfuscating the true issue, since the NRA has always been about gun safety. While both men quoted statistics to reinforce their position I think the fact that Mr. Goldstein's statistics were always cited with a neutral or governmental source, while Mr. Santarsiero's were pretty much whole cloth with no source ever given - although I recognized some of the rhetoric as coming from Bloomberg's various anti-gun organizations - speaks volumes of the true agenda of the speakers. 

 

If this had been a judged debate, there is no question that Mr. Goldstein won, hands down. All we got from Mr. Santarsiero was a lot of smoke and mirrors.

 

I was surprised that the handouts given cited only PA firearms law, which seemed odd given our location, but an interesting fact came out when the audience (which were largely congregants of Har Sinai) was unofficially polled. A large portion was made up of PA residents.

 

This was well worth attending, if for no other reason then to add another pro-gun lawyer to our known universe.

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob

Thanks for the report!

Thanks, Bob, for the sumnation of the event. Hopefully it wasn't too painful. Ha, ha, ha!

I agree with what bob said. There were some antis there tha no matter what statisically you showed they were blind to it. But yes i enjoyed it. Ten times better than the one the the other weekend. That one took about five years off my life. Its was about pa senate bill 1010 (i think thats it). To add a bill to require pics checks for person to person longarm sales. Jonathan goldstein. Omg. He was great. Thats an attorney you want on your side if you have a firearm charge against you. A republican gun loving jew. Thats his words not mine. Real nice guy. Goodnight all.