What I "know" right now. 

 

The only part that matters from a legal standpoint in NJ is the serialized lower receiver.

 

Every other part I can legally order online and build the rifle myself. (As long as the end build doesn't violate unconstitutional NJ laws regarding "assault weapons.")  

 

Am I correct?  Or do I need a broker for more than just the lower receiver?

You are correct.

You could use an 80% receiver. You can't ever sell it though.

You could use an 80% receiver. You can't ever sell it though.

 

Can't finish it in NJ.

As covered on this board many times, you can not complete an 80% lower in NJ....

That is a well known fact and I should have stated that point. You go to a friend's house in PA or DE to mill the lower.

You CAN so sell it.

 

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Do you really think this is good advice? Would you do it? I have exactly the capabilities to execute what you suggest but there is no way in hell I would. Why, because I cant afford the time off from work to sit in jail, the money for bail, and the significant funds it would take to defend the case that has no existing precedent in this state should I be the lucky one to get the officer that doesn't have a law degree, a deep understanding of firearms and the DA that is anti gun that doesn't agree with you.

You CAN so sell it.

 

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You mean outside of the PRNJ and if you put a serial # on it?

 

Please explain Paul. If I complete a lower am I not manufacturing a rifle since the lower is the rifle? I can acquire a rifle in a free state as long as I abide by that state's law.

If I complete a lower in a free state without breaking their laws, I can transport that lower back to NJ right?

Federal law says no serial number is necessary, only suggested. There are also guns bought and sold within NJ without serial numbers. YMMV

 

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Federal law says no serial number is necessary, only suggested. There are also guns bought and sold within NJ without serial numbers. YMMV

 

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What about the manufacture aspect?

 

ME "Please explain Paul. If I complete a lower am I not manufacturing a rifle since the lower is the rifle? I can acquire a rifle in a free state as long as I abide by that state's law.

If I complete a lower in a free state without breaking their laws, I can transport that lower back to NJ right?"

The manufacture issue in NJ is a NJ law issue, not a fed law issue. Even if you bought a completed one outside NJ, again, do you want to be that trial case?

The manufacture issue in NJ is a NJ law issue, not a fed law issue. Even if you bought a completed one outside NJ, again, do you want to be that trial case?

Nobody wants to be that trial case! My point is that many people moved to Jersey from free states and brought with them, guns they acquired from free states. There is currently no registration

requirement for guns brought into the state. Provided they are not on the banned list or have too many "evil features". I guess my point is, if I did not manufacture the lower in NJ and acquired it legally

from another state. Why can't I bring it into the state legally like any other gun legally purchased in another state?

That is not the context of this thread. The question was asked about assembling an AR in NJ and you advised he could do an 80% lower. Then you advised he could run across a state line and do it. In my opinion this is bad advice. I fail to see where the junction is between your current point "someone moving to new jersey from another state" has to do with the context of this thread which is a resident assembling an AR. How did you arrive at the point about moving here from another state with an AR from building an 80% lower in another state as a NJ resident?

You could use an 80% receiver. You can't ever sell it though.

 

why can't you sell it?  Just put a s/n on it and GTG as far as I'm concerned.  

Do you really think this is good advice? Would you do it? I have exactly the capabilities to execute what you suggest but there is no way in hell I would. Why, because I cant afford the time off from work to sit in jail, the money for bail, and the significant funds it would take to defend the case that has no existing precedent in this state should I be the lucky one to get the officer that doesn't have a law degree, a deep understanding of firearms and the DA that is anti gun that doesn't agree with you.

Forget the work things but why would i be a problem otherwise?  I'd do it and in fact have at my house in FL and would bring it back here without concern.  

 

If you're really worried then document your time and experience at your friends house.  Take a video, photos whatever.  What would you be charged with?  Manufacturing a gun in NJ?  Well here's the video and photo evidence that I didn't, what evidence do you have that I did?  None? 

Rob, the topic was a NJ resident building. But to address your question in terms of moving here/dual residence, whatever the circumstance, the same issue still remains. Do you want to be the test case? You don't need to be guilty, just charged. While your charged you will probably be relieved of everything else you own. I can assure you these treasures will be treated like trash while in the custody of the prosecutors office. How about being charged with removal of a serial number? You and I know why its not there, but I think a youtube video on the side of the road to Mr. LE is not going to have the effect you may think it will. It will get run up the chain of command and most likely someone is going to greenlight the arrest under CYA because "Evil Black Rifle". The root cause of these issues is that in NJ you are guilty until proven innocent. The Burdon of innocence is on the resident that chooses to own firearms in a state where all firearm are prohibited and you can only own them under exceptions to the law. Consider that this is a state seeking what, 15 years for some actors perpetrating stupidity with a bb gun? Yes I know of several cases where parents beat their children into brain damage or death and got 4 years. You are playing on the field of a heavily negatively biased court. This is the reality of NJ, so is it worth it to use an 80% lower or any iteration thereof? In my opinion the answer is no. But of course an Americans you can make your own choices

I haven't done it with a rifle but have with pistol frames, in FL of course, however what can I be charged with? I get your reticence living in NJ but what crime would be committed? As far as rifles go I wouldn't bother anyway, what time was saved? You get a rifle without permitting but handguns frames are a different issue because of the lengthy process. However, even in FL, it's just curious experimenting for me. I have no wait for pistols either but like the tinkering aspect of it.

 

I get the confiscation issue but at this point most are in FL due to NJ's shit laws. They're also owned by a trust and not me so so Florida won't help NJ with the confiscation. I guess I'm just grumpy that NJ has gotten so crazy over the years regarding 2a rights. Unfortunately it's going to get at least as bad as Cali when the next governor is elected.

Again, 80% lowers. What is their purpose other than hiding a weapon from Uncle Sam? Ease of owning skating passed laws to purchase? Or just to see if you can do it.

 

Other than just wanting to see if you can build an unfinished lower into a full working rifle. None of the above warrants chancing the trouble you might get into. You are better off building a toothpick pirate ship into a bottle. That would be more of a challenge.

 

We walk a thin line in NJ as is with owning legal weapons. Imho, don't even think about it.

 

 

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I haven't done it with a rifle but have with pistol frames, in FL of course, however what can I be charged with? I get your reticence living in NJ but what crime would be committed? As far as rifles go I wouldn't bother anyway, what time was saved? You get a rifle without permitting but handguns frames are a different issue because of the lengthy process. However, even in FL, it's just curious experimenting for me. I have no wait for pistols either but like the tinkering aspect of it.

 

I get the confiscation issue but at this point most are in FL due to NJ's shit laws. They're also owned by a trust and not me so so Florida won't help NJ with the confiscation. I guess I'm just grumpy that NJ has gotten so crazy over the years regarding 2a rights. Unfortunately it's going to get at least as bad as Cali when the next governor is elected.

It has me grumpy enough to continually be plotting my escape to America!

The reason we have all these unconstitutional laws is because too many in this state are willing to accept it.

 

"The amount of Tyranny you get, is the exact amount you put up with" Thomas Jefferson.

 

Build the 80% lower in PA bring it back. It's not a pistol no NJ permit needed.

 

If building a pistol as legal resident of another state bring it here. It was legally purchased in another state as a resident of that state.

 

When is the last time anyone asked to see your rifle paperwork? Stamp a serial on it if your really worried.

 

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??? How did this thread become entirely about 80% lowers???

 

What I "know" right now.

 

The only part that matters from a legal standpoint in NJ is the serialized lower receiver.

 

Every other part I can legally order online and build the rifle myself. (As long as the end build doesn't violate unconstitutional NJ laws regarding "assault weapons.")

 

Am I correct? Or do I need a broker for more than just the lower receiver?

Jiujiujiu,

 

You are correct. The only thing you need to buy from a dealer is the stripped lower. Everything else for the rifle can be purchased online and shipped to your door.

 

Building is not difficult but will require a few specialized tools to assemble the upper. (If you have a threaded barrel you'll need to get your comp pinned as well.)

 

You could also buy a "complete upper". There are a number of manufacturers that allow you to design your own upper, then they build and test fire it before shipping it out to you.