Something like this will get the pro ban people working overtime.  Kind of amazing to watch, and it has ATF approval.

 

Same thing:  http://www.njgunforums.com/forum/index.php/topic/79398-dont-know-how-new-this-is-but-i-need-it-think-its-nj-legal/

Approved by the ATF.........for now

That's in my future

Something like that is great, if for no other reason than that it will keep Loretta Weinberg and her pals up at night.  

seriously thinking of putting in the preorder on one.

just because.

How is this different than a two round burst from a single pull of the trigger perspective?

How is this different than a two round burst from a single pull of the trigger perspective?

The firing of the second round is manual, not automated.

I understand that but.... its still a single pull of the trigger resulting in more than 1 round fired. I get that they are breaking it down to two distinct moves.... but that's pretty thin. I wouldn't wait to get one if I were so inclined.

Look up fed law

 

26 U.S.C. 5845(b).

 

Note that the definition doesn't define a single pull of the trigger, its the single function of the trigger. I think it would be very easy to interpret the release of the trigger as part of the single function of the trigger. Frankly Im amazed this made it past ATF scrutiny. This is not to be interpreted as  a position the law abiding public should be limited, only commentary on the existing framework.

Looking at NJ's definition, I think this would easily be determined to be a machine gun. You are getting two shots without two distinct pressings of the trigger....

 

2C:39-1 Definitions

 

I."Machine gun" means any firearm, mechanism or instrument not requiring that the trigger be pressed for each shot and having a reservoir, belt or other means of storing and carrying ammunition which can be loaded into the firearm, mechanism or instrument and fired therefrom.
 

Personally, I dislike these types of triggers.  To me, they encourage ballistic masturbation.  Full auto is fun until you add up how much it costs.  I rarely shoot full auto any more unless I'm testing something new, troubleshooting, doing a demo, or intentionally trying to break something.  Otherwise, it costs too much and it's over too soon.  In that way, full auto is like a good hooker, I guess.

I preordered one because I just have to try it.

Looking at NJ's definition, I think this would easily be determined to be a machine gun. You are getting two shots without two distinct pressings of the trigger....

 

2C:39-1 Definitions

 

I."Machine gun" means any firearm, mechanism or instrument not requiring that the trigger be pressed for each shot and having a reservoir, belt or other means of storing and carrying ammunition which can be loaded into the firearm, mechanism or instrument and fired therefrom.

 

 

Shane, I agree, nice catch.  I don't see any counter-argument; two shots only requires one press of the trigger, doesn't matter that the second shot comes on the release of the trigger, you still only pressed the trigger once and got two shots.

 

Echo trigger turns your AR into an illegal machine gun in NJ's eyes.

Howard, are you writing headlines for Huffington Post? That's a bit of a click-baity title.

incredible to think this passed ATF scrutiny.

How is this different than a two round burst from a single pull of the trigger perspective?

Pulling is one action, releasing is a second action. From what I understand if you take it out of echo mode before the release it doesn't let off the round.

 

It sounds weird, but apparently that's how the ATF rolls.

 

Release triggers have a sketchy history of safety.

^Yeah I know a guy who has a high end clay gun with a release trigger. I shot it once and I'm not comfortable with it at all. Just feels unsafe to me. He clames it gets rid of flinching I don't see how though.

I think the fact that you have the option to flip safety before release and cancel the second shot makes a difference in it not being a MG.

^Yeah I know a guy who has a high end clay gun with a release trigger. I shot it once and I'm not comfortable with it at all. Just feels unsafe to me. He clames it gets rid of flinching I don't see how though.

 

Yes, I've heard of clay shooters using release triggers for just that reason.  Believe I stumbled onto it on a message board somewhere.

Seems like it would be really weird to use.

Would be lots of fun in a JR Carbine...... 9mm would be a little less cost to shoot in echo mode.....

Would be lots of fun in a JR Carbine...... 9mm would be a little less cost to shoot in echo mode.....

 

You just gave me a wonderful and terrible idea... I just picked up a JR Carbine...

 

Just watching the video though - it won't work in the JRC.

I need this in my life!

Just to put this in perspective...that $479 for the trigger could pay for a three day carbine class where you'll learn to shoot faster AND more accurately without inducing training scars related to unique FCG behavior. Just sayin'....

I think the fact that you have the option to flip safety before release and cancel the second shot makes a difference in it not being a MG.

 

I think you're wrong.  Read the NJ statute Shane quoted again:

 

 

I."Machine gun" means any firearm, mechanism or instrument not requiring that the trigger be pressed for each shot...

 

But that's just like...my opinion, man.

"the gun is firing so fast I have no control over it at all*   o O