My wife is finally applying for her FID - It exempts family members as references, but does this include spouses?

Seems like a simple question however I have gotten yes and no from separate LEOs.

Anyone able to help me out? 

Personally I'd so no, but just check with the PD you are applying to, its their call.

Personally I'd so no, but just check with the PD you are applying to, its their call.

Same here..

Call the PD and ask them. 

When is a spouse not a family member?

 

ETA: No. There is no punchline.

 

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Although this doesn't address the FPID directly, The NJ State Ethics Commission defines a relative as:

 

http://www.state.nj.us/ethics/statutes/guide/famcode.html

 

d. As used in this section, "relative" means an individual's spouse or the individual's or spouse's parent, child, brother, sister, aunt, uncle, niece, nephew, grandparent, grandchild, son-in-law, daughter-in-law, stepparent, stepchild, stepbrother, stepsister, half brother or half sister, whether the relative is related to the individual or the individual's spouse by blood, marriage or adoption.

To play devil's advocate the form states "Names, Addresses and Telephone Numbers of two reputable persons who are presently acquainted with the applicant, other than relatives:"  

 

Is a spouse a relative?  

I can tell you for sure that your parents in law will get rejected as references as being too close to you familially. I would say spouse is closer and would likewise be rejected. Call your PD and put the question to them

Is a spouse a relative?  

 

Are you serious?

Spouse is a relative. Cannot recall specific one, but there are lot of Govt forms where they ask to identify the person "relation", options being Spouse, Son/Daughter, Parent etc. 

 

Unless, the LEO who is responsible for processing the application says otherwise.  Ask ask that specific individual, just not any LEO.  

Are you serious?

 

Yes, I'm serious.  Depending on the definition of relative.  Can you claim your spouse as a dependent?

My question would honestly be...does your wife really not know two people NOT including her spouse to be references that this option is even being entertained?

my wife used one of my pro2a frends that weve hung out with a shitload. he met my wife within a few weeks of us dating, and a friend of hers. 

 

ive used freinds, bossed, shooting buddies etc

This can be a real issue. I know someone with lots of friends from school are very liberal and even though they like and respect the person they will not be references for anything 2A related.

This can be a real issue. I know someone with lots of friends from school are very liberal and even though they like and respect the person they will not be references for anything 2A related.

 

 Exactly. This is the issue I have. If I needed references for a job I'd have my pick, but for firearms applications? I can count those on one hand. 

To play devil's advocate the form states "Names, Addresses and Telephone Numbers of two reputable persons who are presently acquainted with the applicant, other than relatives:"

 

Is a spouse a relative?

Only if you married your cousin.

 

No cant be used as A reference.

Exactly. This is the issue I have. If I needed references for a job I'd have my pick, but for firearms applications? I can count those on one hand.

 

 

Your issue is not uncommon.

I guess I'm lucky then. I have more people I can use for firearms references then all my fingers and toes. I struggle to decide who would be the most honored being selected then I do with who will give me a reference. Kinda kidding. I pick who I know will fill it out and either drop it off at the PD the next day or hand to me to bring to the PD. 

I would not use a spouse as a reference.  Full stop. 

Has anyone used the same reference more than once?

Your wife can only take away your guns, they don't trust her enough to give them to you.

Has anyone used the same reference more than once?

Always use the same 2. its a firearms trio of very impatient individuals.

Spouse of course is a relative. So are in-laws. Not only can you use same references I recommend you use same references.

 

 

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I would not use a spouse as a reference.  Full stop. 

 

"What, he's applying for more permits?  He's got enough guns already"

Yes, I'm serious.  Depending on the definition of relative.  Can you claim your spouse as a dependent?

Christ on a crutch. Chinese water torture. Don't you know three f-ing people who a reasonable person in whatever context would not refer to as your "family" or relative? Is it worth the risk of re-doing the paperwork to prove the point to a bureaucrat that your wife is really and truly not related to you?

 

I suggest you head over to the current discussion on the meaning of "one gun per month." 

 

I'm sure there's an online tool you can find. Enter the relationship, it tells you if that person is a relative. 

 

I used it. I was surprised to see my son is actually related to me. That's not what the mailman said. Could have knocked me over with a feather.

Has anyone used the same reference more than once?

Many times. They don't even get called any more.

Has anyone used the same reference more than once?

I keep unsigned, undated copies of pistol permit aps. Same exact info everytime.

 

To the op, why risk a lengthy delay? You may get one LEO that oks the app, then the Chief rejects it.

Has anyone used the same reference more than once?

 

Yes, to the point that the PD has on occasion not even bothered contacting them. Heck half of them say the same thing I put in all of mine

 

"I have known <insert person's name> since <insert year>. I have no knowledge of any reason they should be denied ownership of a firearm."

Christ on a crutch. Chinese water torture. Don't you know three f-ing people who a reasonable person in whatever context would not refer to as your "family" or relative? Is it worth the risk of re-doing the paperwork to prove the point to a bureaucrat that your wife is really and truly not related to you?

 

I suggest you head over to the current discussion on the meaning of "one gun per month." 

 

I'm sure there's an online tool you can find. Enter the relationship, it tells you if that person is a relative. 

 

I used it. I was surprised to see my son is actually related to me. That's not what the mailman said. Could have knocked me over with a feather.

Read the definition again. Your wife's child is still your relative, mailmen aside.

so you asked several LEO's and got different answers. what makes you think you can get an answer on a forum that you can go with?