https://www.ammoland.com/2019/06/pro-gun-group-wins-lawsuit-against-new-jersey-state-police/#axzz5sEdUftJF

Didn't see this anywhere and it popped up in my Google news feed. This transparency is a good step in fighting NJ's absurd stance on the 2A.

It's been a long fight. Great job NJ2AS!

3 hours ago, Greenday said:

Didn't see this anywhere and it popped up in my Google news feed.

That's totally impossible...

Your news feed is filled with Socialist, gun grabbing and anti-American "news" stories...

3 hours ago, Greenday said:

https://www.ammoland.com/2019/06/pro-gun-group-wins-lawsuit-against-new-jersey-state-police/#axzz5sEdUftJF

Didn't see this anywhere and it popped up in my Google news feed. This transparency is a good step in fighting NJ's absurd stance on the 2A.

It's been a long fight. Great job NJ2AS!

Thanks for relaying, saw it in my email from NJ2AS also.

11 minutes ago, Sniper said:

That's totally impossible...

Your news feed is filled with Socialist, gun grabbing and anti-American "news" stories...

https://www.ammoland.com/2019/06/600rnds-american-eagle-5-56x45mm-xm855-ammo-round-2/#axzz5sEdUftJF

My current top story "For me"

30 minutes ago, Sniper said:

That's totally impossible...

Your news feed is filled with Socialist, gun grabbing and anti-American "news" stories...

Yeah....

Every now and then one sneaks through...... unlike the US-Mexican border!

And yes, it was a nice article to read.

46 minutes ago, DirtyDigz said:

Thanks for relaying, saw it in my email from NJ2AS also.

Ditto 

Who cares? The manual has been in the hands of NJ2AS for years. Does it matter now with FARS?

18 minutes ago, PK90 said:

Who cares? The manual has been in the hands of NJ2AS for years. Does it matter now with FARS?

It's sets a precedent for future cases that they can't hide everything from us.

4 minutes ago, Greenday said:

It's sets a precedent for future cases that they can't hide everything from us.

15 minutes ago, Greenday said:

It's sets a precedent for future cases that they can't hide everything from us.

How long have you lived in NJ again?

 

So WTF where they hiding.

20 minutes ago, silverado427 said:

So WTF where they hiding.

I read the whole investigation guide - I think the biggest revelation was the detail of all the databases that are checked as part of the investigation process.

I think the "win" for people in this state is when a P.D. does something like ask your employer for more than just employment verification or asks you to get fingerprinted when you've been fingerprinted previously a lawyer can now argue "why is this department deviating from the investigation guidelines provided by the NJSP?"

3 minutes ago, DirtyDigz said:

I read the whole investigation guide - I think the biggest revelation was the detail of all the databases that are checked as part of the investigation process.

I think the "win" for people in this state is when a P.D. does something like ask your employer for more than just employment verification or asks you to get fingerprinted when you've been fingerprinted previously a lawyer can now argue "why is this department deviating from the investigation guidelines provided by the NJSP?"

That argument has always been there. I don't see what the difference is now. The PDs can still avoid following the guideline. 

I felt that it was a waste of time and money to pursue getting the guide book, especially when one was provided to them already.

But what do I know. I am not a lawyer. Also, I no longer care. 

A win is a win. 

Unfortunately, this does absolutely nothing for gun owners. When this all started it was pre operation compliance.. PD's have now been getting notices for years for violating the law... 

They can do what ever they want on their end provided it follows state law.. I highly doubt there is anything in there at this point that goes against the law provided they have had a copy of it for how long now?

53 minutes ago, JackDaWack said:

A win is a win. 

Unfortunately, this does absolutely nothing for gun owners. When this all started it was pre operation compliance.. PD's have now been getting notices for years for violating the law... 

They can do what ever they want on their end provided it follows state law.. I highly doubt there is anything in there at this point that goes against the law provided they have had a copy of it for how long now?

I agree,   a win is a win no matter how tiny.

one important item is the part about answering yes to that psychiatrist question,   it tells investigating agency exactly what the applicant needs to produce.   no more no less.   sorry I cant find my thumb drive with the guide right this second to quote it.

one thing to remember this is just a guide.   depending which way the wind blows will determine how it is rewritten and how often.

The State also had to pay "over" $100,000 to NJ2AS for legal fees.

32 minutes ago, kc17 said:

The State also had to pay "over" $100,000 to NJ2AS for legal fees.

that is the real win here.

What are the chances that the State will try to appeal to a higher court?  Maybe even  SCOTUS?

1 hour ago, HBecwithFn7 said:

What are the chances that the State will try to appeal to a higher court?  Maybe even  SCOTUS?

Not even the PRNJ is that stupid! NO WAY!

The central committee comrades in trenton have already reviewed the document and have deemed it worthless to gun owners in the PRNJ.   the lawyers fees are paid by us the taxpayers so they dont care..   as far as 100k is concerned the state wastes that much in the first 1/1000th of a second at the start of each business day.  

look for this document to change or be buried in  some more red tape very shortly. 

23 hours ago, HBecwithFn7 said:

What are the chances that the State will try to appeal to a higher court?  Maybe even  SCOTUS?

They can appeal the attorney fee awards, but not much point in appealing the order to release the unredacted investigation guide at this point since it is already "out there".