Hey Guys,

 

Just writing to say "hi"...hope to spend some time on these forums giving and getting advice and hopefully we can all make carrying progress in this state...

 

I'm a central jersey resident, recently moved here from SI, NY after getting married and I waited 7 months for my FID and 2 pistol permits. Applied in June 2007 and received January 2008. Just applied for 2 more PP's. Expecting to wait 2-3 months this time...hopefully it's quicker..

 

But, for starters, I picked up a Glock 19 and an SA XD.45 service. ABSOLUTELY love them both! Also just got an AR15..Smith&Wesson MP15 ORC with Aimpoint...love that too because it's very customizable..and last but not least a Mossberg 12ga...in case I ever hear the late night noise no one ever wants to hear...The 9mm and .45 are also good to go with nightsights and hollows...I wanted to get a tactical light for the AR15 when the guy behind the counter laughed at me, saying if you have to pull this trigger in the house, it's going thru 3 or 4 more houses before that bullet stops....LOL...needless to say, I don't own a tactical light, nor would ever consider it for home protection, which is basically my only need. Home protection and target practice. I practice quite often at bullet hole...very close to my job and good people there...

 

Anyways, Just wanna say hi to everyone...Very happy to see a forum for us....always searchin for things to make carrying in NJ a right!

 

We deserve the ability to protect ourselves!

 

Stay Strong,

 

Mikey Gatz, NY & NJ CPA

Welcome to the board buddy

Welcome aboard from another SI Transplant (moved about a year and a half ago). Where were you from in SI? Born, raised and lived in Annadale until I moved to Old Bridge after getting married.

 

Tom

Welcome from Sussex County (originally from Brooklyn).

welcome to the board!

Welcome from Freehold. If by "hollows" you mean hollow point, be careful. It has been discussed and most believe that using hollow points in NJ for self defense is illegal.

Hi Everyone!

Hey Tom...I was in New Springville/Heartland Village for 26 years...Born in Mill Basin BK...Went to Farrell & St. John's

 

Hey njpilot....Really?? I had no idea that in the house was illegal...I asked some of the guys I was shooting with, some even LE, and they said for the house wouldn't be a problem. But I guess they not deciding..lol... It's a big problem if CCW with hollow point and not LEO as I understood. But up to this point, I haven't looked into more than that... Now I need to follow-up with this to make sure I'm not viloating the law if I encounter an intruder at 2am... Thanks for the Headz up..I'm gonna start taking pilot lessons in Lincoln Park pretty soon...verrry excited

Hey GaTz,

Not 100% sure, but after speaking with a few people including some on this board it appears to be what everyone believes. I have a friend who is retired NYPD and he said he is not allowed hollow points when carrying in NJ.

Welcome to the forum.

As far as hollow points go in NJ. Being you can not carry in the first place that is not an issue. If you are caught in a felony with a weapon and you have hollow points that carries a separate charge. As far as home protection you want hollow points because if you miss. The will stop quicker than something that is a plain projectile. At lease that is how it was explained to me as I sat in my NRA class. Ergo I have hollow points in my .45 and will have them in my LCR. At the range it is all FMJ ammo. Also You want the hollow points that have a post down the middle of the bullet. They mushroom better.

Hollow point ammo is 100% NJ legal to possess and use in your home, your property and at the range and maybe transported between those places. It is illegal to use in an unlawful manner, such as if you are committing a crime.

 

Provided certain conditions are met, a sportsman may transport and use hollow point ammunition. There are no restrictions preventing a sportsman from keeping such ammunition at his home.

 

N.J.S.A 26:39-3f. (1) limits the possession of hollow nose ammunition. However, there is a general exception which allows for the purchase of this ammunition but restricts the possession of it to specified locations. This exception provides that:

 

(2) Nothing is subSection f. (1) shall be construed to prevent a person from keeping such ammunition at his dwelling, premises or other land owned or possessed by him, or from carrying such ammunition from the place of purchase to said dwelling or land . . . [N.J.S.A 26:39-3g (2)].

 

Thus a person may purchase this ammunition and keep it within the confines of his property. SubSection f. (1) further exempts from the prohibited possession of hollow nose ammunition "persons engaged in activities pursuant to N.J.S.A 26:39-3f. . . ."

N.J.S.A 26:39-3f. (1).

 

Activities contained in N.J.S.A 26:39-3f. can be broken down as follows:

 

1.A member of a rifle or pistol club organized under rules of the National Board for the Promotion of Rifle Practice and which filed its charter with the State Police;

2.A person engaged in hunting or target practice with a firearm legal for hunting in this State;

3.A person going directly to a target range, and;

4.A person going directly to an authorized place for "practice, match, target, trap or skeet shooting exhibitions."

 

As with other ammunition and firearms, a sportsman would have to comply with the provisions of N.J.S.A 26:39-3f. and g when transporting hollow nose ammunition to a target range. The ammunition should be stored in a closed and fastened container or locked in the trunk of the motor vehicle in which it is being transported. The course of travel should be as direct as possible when going to and leaving from the target range with "only such deviations as are reasonably necessary under the circumstances." N.J.S.A 26:39-3g.

 

If the sportsman

Thank you NJChiroDoc and FIshpaw. The info is greatly appreciated!

You can own and shoot, just dont try for self defense.

Welcome from Sussex County (originally from Brooklyn).

 

A Brooklyn Guy, huh? Where from?

Bensonhurst here. October it will be 5 years in Jersey. I still commute to Park Slope everyday to go to work... :evil:

Welcome aboard from another SI Transplant (moved about a year and a half ago). Where were you from in SI? Born, raised and lived in Annadale until I moved to Old Bridge after getting married.

 

Tom

 

My Brother has lived in Annadale since 1977. Jefferson & Rathbun.

Small world huh, Brooklyn guys, SI guys....gotta love it

Hey Guys,

 

Just writing to say "hi"...hope to spend some time on these forums giving and getting advice and hopefully we can all make carrying progress in this state...

 

But, for starters, I picked up a Glock 19 and an SA XD.45 service. ABSOLUTELY love them both! Also just got an AR15..Smith&Wesson MP15 ORC with Aimpoint...

 

Anyways, Just wanna say hi to everyone...Very happy to see a forum for us....always searchin for things to make carrying in NJ a right!

 

We deserve the ability to protect ourselves!

 

Stay Strong,

 

Mikey Gatz, NY & NJ CPA

 

 

Oh I forgot, Welcome Mikey

 

Love the optimism about the CCW.

Some good guns you have there...I have the same. G19, XD45 Service & a Colt Match HBAR...besides some others.

Should try your hand at some compettion...IDPA is a good start. You will really enjoy it.

 

Good Shooting to you

Welcome aboard from another SI Transplant (moved about a year and a half ago). Where were you from in SI? Born, raised and lived in Annadale until I moved to Old Bridge after getting married.

 

Tom

 

My Brother has lived in Annadale since 1977. Jefferson & Rathbun.

Small world huh, Brooklyn guys, SI guys....gotta love it

 

Small world.. I lived off of Annadale Rd right near the train station for the better part of 27 years. When me and my wife were engaged we move into an apartment behind the King Kullen shopping center off of Arden Ave. Of course when we were looking for houses we could not afford a house we wanted out there, and refused to pay some of the prices they ask for town houses, which is how we ended up out here.

A Brooklyn Guy, huh? Where from?

Born in Brighton Beach and lived on Ave. Z in Sheepshead Bay until moving to NJ about 22 years ago. I was in the first graduating class at John Dewey High School.

I still commute to Park Slope everyday to go to work

That's gotta be tough. I used to commute from Brooklyn to Carteret. Did that for a couple of years. What a pain in the ass. I used to feel bad for everyone going the other way. It's worse now. More cars, higher tolls. You have my sympathy.

 

Ken

Hey Guys...

 

Very True about housing costs right over the outerbridge...My wife and I bought for $360K in woodbridge what costs $575K in staten island...pretty ridiculous if you ask me...I used to have friends on albee and hang out near the train station in annadale when i was like 16. Any of you guys used to associate with AH??....LOL...looong time ago, but i had a few friends over there that were good guys..AN..epic...LOL

 

I'm still unclear on the hollow points for self-defense in the house issue...From reading the law that was posted above, looks fine to me. If you can legally have them on your property, then you can legally have them loaded in your weapon. I need to ask a lawyer about this seriously. My township says "it's unlawful to discharge a weapon in the township if not at a range supervised by the local PD". So, right there, you could make a case that shooting an intruder has set you up for a legal battle...It's so confusing...all i want is the best possible protection without having collateral damage.

 

I believe the above post is correct in saying that your objective is not to cause harm to an intruder, but rather protect the innocent from an over-penetrating round. It's a very serious issue. Either way, seems like a long battle with no winning position.

 

Thanks for welcoming me guys!

 

I'd definitley like to compete a little..Been shooting since i'm about 16 and i'm a decent shot...Perhaps if you guys get together somewhere, i'd be interested...

 

Have A Great Day Everyone

PeaCe

.It's so confusing..

Either way, seems like a long battle with no winning position.

I'm not a lawyer, but it's my understanding that "no discharge" laws end at your property line. You are perfectly within your rights to discharge a firearm to protect the lives of you and your family if you believe you are in imminent danger.

 

The NJ laws are engineered to be confusing, so that some activist anti-self defense prosecutor can spin your actions any way they want in case you actually have to save your own life.

 

Hopefully, none of us here will ever have to test the laws in court after such an incident.

 

Ken

Hey Guys...

I'm still unclear on the hollow points for self-defense in the house issue...From reading the law that was posted above, looks fine to me. If you can legally have them on your property, then you can legally have them loaded in your weapon. I need to ask a lawyer about this seriously. My township says "it's unlawful to discharge a weapon in the township if not at a range supervised by the local PD". So, right there, you could make a case that shooting an intruder has set you up for a legal battle...It's so confusing...all i want is the best possible protection without having collateral damage.

 

I believe the above post is correct in saying that your objective is not to cause harm to an intruder, but rather protect the innocent from an over-penetrating round. It's a very serious issue. Either way, seems like a long battle with no winning position.

If the court cases are any indication, if someone breaks into your house they seem to have some sort of right. How many cases have there been where someone shoots an intruder, injures them and then get sued for damages. I personally will never understand how that works, but that is a completely other topic.

 

The way I originally read the law was that Hollow points could be stored at home, transported to and from an event or range. If they can be loaded for home defense or not, is not clear to me. On your point though.. it seems like your hands may be tied either way if you were ever forced to fire your weapon to protect your family (Hollow Points or not).

it seems like your hands may be tied either way

Personally, I'd rather have my hands tied than have pennies on my eyes.

 

Ken

it seems like your hands may be tied either way

Personally, I'd rather have my hands tied than have pennies on my eyes.

 

Ken

I agree.. when it comes down to it, my family is getting protected. I will deal with all the legal BS afterward if that's what it comes down to.

Welcome. My Home Defense pisol has hollow points in it. Better to be tried by 12 then carried by 6.

Welcome on board GaTz. Hey guys....whatever happened to the rubber nosed HP's? That got around the illegal issue. And, you're telling me you can't use HP's at the range? Been doing it! How you going to know where the things going to hit when you put the HP's in, like for hunting or self defense as far as that goes :?:

Thanks, Fishpaw (that must be a weird looking fish!), I overlooked your reply :oops:

EFMJ (expandable full metal jacket) rounds are hard to come by lately, and expensive.

 

HP ammo is legal to buy, transport, and shoot at the range. It's also legal to keep in your HD weapon. Just not legal in a CCW weapon.

 

Ken