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I know the handguns are crummy, but what about the carbine?

No first hand experiece, but anyone who seems to own one loves them. For the money I would pick one up.

I just visited a guy this weekend that has one. He said, despite Hp's reputation as a cheap gun maker, he liked the gun, it was fun to shoot.

 

BTW, this guy had the largest private citizen collection I have ever seen.

I have one in 9mm for 4 years. I paid about $100 less (dealer's price) at the time. They are ugly, look and feel cheap but run 100% with factory mags. Stay away from the aftermarket 15 rd mags. I never got one to run more than 2 rds without feeding problems. Mine shoots about 5" groups at 100 yds with any ammo I've tried. I shoot only a couple hundred rounds a year through it. It is a pain to field strip and I usually clean the bore and wipe out the big chunks after shooting. Clean it totally about once a year but it has never malfunctioned.

 

For the price everyone ought to have one.

I have one. 995b. Lots of fun to shoot. No jamming with over 1000rds through it. A little bit of a pain to take it down. For $189 (Cabelas) it was worth it.

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I know the handguns are crummy, but what about the carbine?

Had one for a while. Very cheap and ugly design. Replaced stock with ATI, felt much better. Fun and cheap to shoot.

have one in 9mm.....very ugly and a bit awkward until i changed the stock with an ati stock....big improvement.......

Saw one at BA yesterday for $269. Omg, talk about ugly. But hey, if it works, it works.

have one in 9mm.....very ugly and a bit awkward until i changed the stock with an ati stock....big improvement.......

 

I thought about getting one of these but decided on saving up a little more money (500 dollars more!) and go with the Beretta Cx4 instead. Many 9mm rounds and lots of cool tactical upgrades later I haven't looked back. Go with quality and skip this crap.