NJ R Legislator thinks he and judges are better than us

[n4p226r 105]

http://politickernj.com/2016/03/bergen-senator-seeks-gun-carry-permits-for-judges-and-legislators/

 

 

I'm the first to say that the more people that carry the better, I'm not one of those people that think the police off duty shouldn't carry, or retired cops.  They didn't make the laws, so i don't fault them for having more privileges than us.  I'd disagree if they thought we shouldn't carry and they did, but thats a different story.  But apparently even the Republicans in NJ think they are better than us and above the law.  

[Zeke 5,504]

I look at this differently. The more the general citizenry is persecuted, the better our chances of going to the high court.

[pjd832 146]

so many lines in that deeply anger me.....furthering the "us and them" mentality

[pjd832 146]

I look at this differently. The more the general citizenry is persecuted, the better our chances of going to the high court.

that is a valid point....keep carving out more protected groups...lol

[Old Glock guy 1,127]

I'm kind of surprised by this, as I thought that group was among the few that could actually get CCW permits in NJ.

[Zeke 5,504]

I'm kind of surprised by this, as I thought that group was among the few that could actually get CCW permits in NJ.

I believe there " need is justified" somebody is either doing a chess move, or jus doesn't want red tape. I actually see this going somewhere.

[Zeke 5,504]

that is a valid point....keep carving out more protected groups...lol

I honestly think it's an angle

[jtd771 18]

They love to name bills, this should just be called what it is, The Animal Farm law.

 

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[Zeke 5,504]

They love to name bills, this should just be called what it is, The Animal Farm law.

 

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I like that!!!!

[Kevin125 4,772]

“I believe that if vulnerable public officials do not have to fear violent reprisals related to their duties, they will be able to better carry out their mission to serve the people of New Jersey,” Cardinale said. “Our dedicated public servants are some of our greatest resources, and we cannot afford to lose any to an assassin’s bullet.”

 

I believe he wants to protect himself from his constituents.

 

Now isn't that ironic....

 

I must clarify his quote.

 

“I believe that if vulnerable public officials do not have to fear violent reprisals related to their duties, they will be able to better carry out their mission to SCREW the people of New Jersey,” Cardinale said. “Our dedicated public servants are some of our greatest resources, and we cannot afford to lose any to an assassin’s bullet.”

 

 

And that last line..... Oh I beg to differ.  We can afford to lose pretty much all of them (by voting them out of course).

[mipafox 438]

“Judges and legislators face a greater risk of falling victim to violent attacks, simply because of their easily identifiable position in public life,” Cardinale said. “This measure will ensure that public servants have the means to protect themselves from those who might violently disagree with their viewpoints or decisions. A judge should feel safe returning home each night no matter how they ruled or what they ruled on that day.”

 

I kind find you 500,000 people in Jersey that are in more danger than ANY legislator or judge, and actually face the risk of REAL violence every day, not pretend maybe violence.

 

Just more Jersey classicism and jack booted thuggery.

[Howard 538]

SCREW THEM.  Let them suffer just like all the people they screw with their laws.  Carry for all, or none for them!

[Zeke 5,504]

Handy is such a pita!

(201) 567-2324

Englewood, NJ

Allece?( sp)

It's chess. Call them up. I dare you.

[Zeke 5,504]

Roubian had just called before me.

[Zeke 5,504]

Howard, walk away from shutterfly and make a call

[Zeke 5,504]

Takes 2 min tops

[Pizza Bob 1,488]

I e-mailed Sen Cardinale - 

 

Although I am not one of your constituents, I am curious as to whether you were misquoted in the PolitickerNJ article. You are quoted as saying:

 

“The state’s current laws  prevent only responsible citizens from having the ability to arm themselves for self protection. Our laws do not protect us they merely give criminals an advantage by failing to keep guns away from terrorists and dangerous criminals. We need to have sensible regulations concerning firearms, aimed at protecting us rather than ideological  laws that only create an environment that emboldens criminals, terrorists and others with evil intent”

 

But the position represented by the proposed bill only addresses a remedy for an elite class. You are saying that their lives are more valuable than those of the average citizen. Every citizen is at risk everyday, some at greater risk than the elite class you have singled out, some at less, but all their lives matter equally. To deny one class of citizen the right to protect themselves, while actively facilitating another classes ability to do so is hypocrisy of the highest order.

 

How you can make a rational statement like the quotation above and then turn around and seek to dole that right out only to a privileged few makes no sense - so you must have been misquoted, correct?

[Zeke 5,504]

 

I e-mailed Sen Cardinale -

 

Although I am not one of your constituents, I am curious as to whether you were misquoted in the PolitickerNJ article. You are quoted as saying:

 

“The state’s current laws prevent only responsible citizens from having the ability to arm themselves for self protection. Our laws do not protect us they merely give criminals an advantage by failing to keep guns away from terrorists and dangerous criminals. We need to have sensible regulations concerning firearms, aimed at protecting us rather than ideological laws that only create an environment that emboldens criminals, terrorists and others with evil intent”

 

But the position represented by the proposed bill only addresses a remedy for an elite class. You are saying that their lives are more valuable than those of the average citizen. Every citizen is at risk everyday, some at greater risk than the elite class you have singled out, some at less, but all their lives matter equally. To deny one class of citizen the right to protect themselves, while actively facilitating another classes ability to do so is hypocrisy of the highest order.

 

How you can make a rational statement like the quotation above and then turn around and seek to dole that right out only to a privileged few makes no sense - so you must have been misquoted, correct?

Why not a phone call?

[Kevin125 4,772]

I'll call when I'm back at work tomorrow. Good point. If he is sponsoring anything, we need to call who ever might be co-sponsoring.

[Kevin125 4,772]

I see no new bills related to this. District is extreme north eastern part of state on NY border.

[PeteF 1,044]

 

I e-mailed Sen Cardinale - 

 

Although I am not one of your constituents, I am curious as to whether you were misquoted in the PolitickerNJ article. You are quoted as saying:

 

“The state’s current laws  prevent only responsible citizens from having the ability to arm themselves for self protection. Our laws do not protect us they merely give criminals an advantage by failing to keep guns away from terrorists and dangerous criminals. We need to have sensible regulations concerning firearms, aimed at protecting us rather than ideological  laws that only create an environment that emboldens criminals, terrorists and others with evil intent”

 

But the position represented by the proposed bill only addresses a remedy for an elite class. You are saying that their lives are more valuable than those of the average citizen. Every citizen is at risk everyday, some at greater risk than the elite class you have singled out, some at less, but all their lives matter equally. To deny one class of citizen the right to protect themselves, while actively facilitating another classes ability to do so is hypocrisy of the highest order.

 

How you can make a rational statement like the quotation above and then turn around and seek to dole that right out only to a privileged few makes no sense - so you must have been misquoted, correct?

 

More eloquent than I would be.  

 

I'm a more "What the F is wrong with you?"  kind of guy.

[Old Glock guy 1,127]

Nice work Pizza Bob.  I thought that was very well done.  Please let us know if you get a response.

[Zeke 5,504]

This is one of the only times I can agree with Newtonian. Like herding cats

[antimatter 139]

i am not sure how i feel about this yet...

very curious to see how this all plays out

[DaveR 42]

Kinda hoping the wife runs into him today at the BCRO in Hackensack, its their convention today.

 

Seems they want to make him some sort of representative for Trump.

[JohnnyB 4,321]

i am not sure how i feel about this yet...

very curious to see how this all plays out

I know how I feel. If I can't carry, they should not be able to carry!

 

When was the last time you heard about a PRNJ Legislator or judge being assassinated?  I call BS!

 

In 2011, the FBI reported 269 gun murders in the PRNJ. Up 9% from 2010. None were Legislators or judges.

[S14Swap240sx 6]

They see the imporantance to the right of self defense. Let them get it, we will fight and get it shortly after. The more laws that allow conceal carry regardless who it's for, is the better chance we have. It's not all or nothing. But lil bites and pieces with hard work.

[antimatter 139]

They see the imporantance to the right of self defense. Let them get it, we will fight and get it shortly after. The more laws that allow conceal carry regardless who it's for, is the better chance we have. It's not all or nothing. But lil bites and pieces with hard work.

this is my first thought,  if it should pass then its game on.  i mean how could they not allow it for everyone then?

its would be a shit-storm of negative press i would think no?

[SmartAss 11]

Does Cardinale have a history of Pro 2A?

It almost sounds like a backwards way to open the door to legal challenges to justifiable need.

[Old Glock guy 1,127]

Does Cardinale have a history of Pro 2A?

It almost sounds like a backwards way to open the door to legal challenges to justifiable need.

 

Yes.  I've been thinking that we need to get a foot in the door, or the camel's nose under the tent, as pundits are fond of saying.

 

I was thinking that maybe they could introduce CCW permits with a high fee, so our legislators could see a revenue benefit from it.  Then once they have agreed in principle, we could just work on getting them to reduce the fee.  But this might be an even better approach.