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Do I think gun owners (and homeowners who feel overtaxed... and several other categories of people) should do everything in their power to fight a Murphy governorship? Yes. Do I think we should ASSUME a lower round limit? No. Do I think we can engage in "what if" conjecture and start formulating our own plans accordingly as we each see fit in case it happens? Yes. Do I think we should be able to do that without ducking incoming flames from other posters? (or, umm, tampons as it were?) Yes. And finally... Do I indeed like men who respond to a swift, corrective rap on the nose with a rolled up newspaper? Why, YES... yes I do... very much!

May I point out the obvious...? NOWHERE in this thread have I stated what I personally would or would not do. (Why would I spout that on an online forum?) And with all due respect, nor do any of you have a clue as to what organizations I may or may not belong to, whether I do or do not vote, or what my level of political activism is. If you knew all that, ummm... we probably wouldn't even be having this discussion (LOL). But, my reasonable knowledge of human nature tells me that IF Murphy's governorship does happen and lower magazine limits are passed... some will comply, some will not. Business owners in neighboring states would be wise to capitalize on those who wish to comply. Hellooooo??? What is so offensive about that? Sheesh. I appreciate that you're wrapped up in defiant fervor boys... I applaud it actually... but if others decide to fully comply, that's THEIR business. Hey, maybe some people are in an occupation where an arrest would be catastrophic to their career - everyone's risk profile is different. I'm not going to judge. That's all!

The words Oreos, marsh mellows, and cereal should never appear in the same sentence. Like Cranberry beer and cherry funions

Now, now!! Simmer down. The fact is that people will do whatever they're comfortable with... not with what you guilt them into. I'm guessing that's going to be a wide range of behavior depending on how compliant/non-compliant, worried/relaxed, or apolitical/activist each person might be. Some people will get them all pinned, some might get 1 or 2 pinned just to take to the range but keep the rest (unaltered) at home, some might stash them at a PA range they join, others (like you and Kevin) will apparently give a firm resounding to authority figures. I'm personally not going to question anyone else's choices. Each to their own. It's their dime, their principles, their risk. As long as they don't snitch on another gun owner like a little weenie, I have no problem with what anyone does.

I know @Ray Ray. In the movie, the next line after Bluto's "Germans bombed Pearl Harbor" bit is when Otter says "Germans?" I was setting someone up for Boon's line: "Forget it. He's rolling."

The fine art of negotiation. The court is nothing but the highest levels of lawyers in the country. The art of "lawyering" is nothing more than knowing what to say and when to say it. Makes all the difference. It is a system devised by them, controlled by them, and used by them to squeeze the essence of common decency out of every person. Basically, evil hacks who make a living out screwing people and when they are not doing that they run for elected office so they can make more laws to keep them in business.

Rob, To touch on your point: Currently under HR 218/LEOSA any sworn LEO in good standing can carry a handgun off duty in all 50 states. However, we still have to abide by the states magazine capacity laws. When the act was originally passed any ammunition restrictions had to be followed as well - for example a Cop from TX could not carry hollow points and had to restrict his gun to a 15 round mag when coming to NJ. The last update eliminated any ammo restrictions (as long as long as the ammo was what your dept issued/mandated - This change was due to insurance issues of all things, not the lawmakers getting smart about ammo choices) but did nothing to address any magazine restrictions. So currently, yes, even though I basically have "national reciprocity" I have to be aware of magazine capacity restriction whenever I travel to make sure I am not in violation. I can only carry 10 round mags when I go to NY, CT, MA, DC, MD, or HI. I don't see this changing anytime soon either.

I may not be tough enough to say with 100% conviction, "Only from my cold dead hands," but I sure as hell intend to exercise my current legal right to purchase NJ-legal firearms and 15-round magazines with all the proper paperwork in hand. If the time comes when the NJ law changes, I'll deal with it then. I honestly don't understand conceding defeat in a fight that hasn't even officially started. With that attitude the NJ legislators don't have to do a thing to further curtail the law, we'll do it to ourselves!

I generally agree with HE's post above. The 357 SIG is the result of attempting to duplicate the 357 magnum in a semiautomatic caliber. The 10mm is the result of trying to duplicate 41 Magnum. IMO, neither is a "needed" caliber. Okay if you want something different but that's about where the need ends. I often refer to 357 SIG as my idea of a 9mm +P+. I feel a standard 9mm parabellum works fine as a SD cartridge. If I want 357 magnum performance I'll use a revolver and can also use heavier bullets. I have a 8 shot N frame size 357 so I'm not giving up much in capacity if that's an issue. The 41 Magnum came about as an attempt to upgrade police handguns from 38s and 357s in the 60s. The problem was most pds tried it with the full power load and found it too much. The 10mm was an attempt to solve the issues in a police round and again it was too much. A full 10mm is definitely overkill for SD uses. Even Dirty Harry said he used a 3/4 load in his 44 Magnum. A 3/4 load 10mm is a 40 S&W. They're all good calibers but I generally refer to 357 SIG and 10mm as "designer calibers". Yes they serve a function but they weren't "needed". That's why they never really caught on like the 45 GAP or 327 Magnum which are also useful but will never really catch on. They'll all be around for some time but will never reach the popularity of 9mm, 38 special, 357 mag, 44 mag, or 45 ACP. You can walk into just about any Walmart (outside of NJ) or any half as sporting goods store and find those calibers. Good luck finding 10mm, 357 SIG, 45 GAP, or 327 Magnum everywhere.

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Ok, back on the subject of cereal/food vs gas. I like Kashi GoLean because I like the granola/trail mix type stuff. Cause I'm such a natural nature type of guy ya know. Lol. [emoji51] Whelp, I failed to know that more than one bowl will enable you to play any tune by request with more than enough gas to hold off a small orchestra. This is a good thing. My very first piece was Jingle Bells. It came out so musically enjoyable that I got a standing ovation! [emoji23][emoji1319][emoji1319][emoji1319][emoji1319][emoji1319][emoji1319] Now that's a real man's cereal! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I'm never eating breakfast with you LOL

Here's breakfast. 4 eggs over easy and two big, awesome pancakes (waffles work in a pinch). Put the eggs between the pancakes with an appropriate amount of butter and good dark maple syrup not that aunt jemima shit. Saw through that nothing better than sweet and salty. OP knows more about cereal than anyone I've ever seen--unbelievable detail. Sorry they effed over your food.

I'm still a kid at heart. Just have cooler toys now. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk

What fun are they? Yes I get obsessed with one cereal I like and then they discontinue it. Like my Chocolate Toast Crunch. I'm young enough still where I don't need any help staying regular. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk

Don't tie the 2A to sportsmen or 3 gun. The 2A has nothing to do with sport shooting, competition, or hunting.

Wait, why would you want a conversion anything or even bring up a conversion as a benefit? [sarcasm] Why not just get a gun that was built to be a 357 Sig from the get-go? Aren't you concerned about reliability and legality IF said firearm is used in a self-defense role? Let me ask you, which gun do you think would be more reliable? A Glock 22 converted to 357 Sig Or A Glock 31? Seriously - Why do all that "conversion" nonsense when you could save yourself any drama by buying a 357 Sig gun? A G32 for example, that was born a 357 Sig with 357 Sig parts, slide, frame, and all the rest. Doesn't it just seem risky to you? But, hey to each his own. [/sarcasm] #hypocriticalRayRay https://www.njgunforums.com/forum/index.php?/topic/86808-glock-22-9mm-conversion-checklist/#comment-1116142 Anyway..... In reality, if you bought a 10mm Glock, you can convert it to shoot .40 and 357 Sig by just swapping in conversion barrels. Now, I don't know about the rest of your topic, as I don't really care about either caliber. They both seem to be favorites of people that just want something different for the sake of being different - and that's OK. I do see the benefit of 10mm for hunting and outdoor activities, but as a self defense round it may be a bit overkill.

You got it but I also put waffles way up there too.

FIFY. Still, I have the same concerns HE has. No matter what the Feds do in re: reciprocity, the staunch anti states will fight it to the death. They have tons of lawyers and deep pockets for that sort of thing. As I keep saying, the only way to ensure compliance, I believe, is to tie disbursement of federal funds for various projects to compliance with those reciprocity laws. Whatever legal hurdles that entails will have to be resolved.

^^^THIS is the correct, plain text reading. Emotional folks skip over this "OR" just as fast as "OR locked in the trunk of an automobile"! The net result is false interpretation & misinformation on a grand scale!

Sounds just like New Hampshire after Scott Bach won his suit against them. And now look at all the $100 non-resident cards they're selling. No references are checked & no training requirements like some other states. Sounds like the proverbial $100 bill printing press.

The text in blue and the key word or are our saving grace! I believe this text would allow us to carry in the PRNJ with any non resident permit.

It's not my interpretation. It's the black letter text of H.R.38 Read it. The link is in my first post from earlier today Here is the applicable portion: Reciprocity for the carrying of certain concealed firearms “(a) Notwithstanding any provision of the law of any State or political subdivision thereof (except as provided in subsection (b)) and subject only to the requirements of this section, a person who is not prohibited by Federal law from possessing, transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm, who is carrying a valid identification document containing a photograph of the person, and who is carrying a valid license or permit which is issued pursuant to the law of a State and which permits the person to carry a concealed firearm or is entitled to carry a concealed firearm in the State in which the person resides, may possess or carry a concealed handgun (other than a machinegun or destructive device) that has been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce, in any State that— “(1) has a statute under which residents of the State may apply for a license or permit to carry a concealed firearm; or “(2) does not prohibit the carrying of concealed firearms by residents of the State for lawful purposes. Reading the bolded and underlined text I can see where your interpretation differs from mine. We'll have to agree to disagree.

Read the text of the bill again. I know that the congressman promised he would amend it to make a permit from ANY state work in EVERY state, but that's NOT WHAT IS IN PRINT.

Updated family photo: I just got two stripped Glock frames and built up a third G35 with RMR and a G19. My new RMR is getting sunk into the G19 and a KKM barrel and Comp is going on there. An Overwatch Falx trigger for it is on the way as we speak. My issued G22 for work is missing as it's in my locker at HQ. I'd like to get one more stripped G17/22 frame to put my AA .22 slide in as a full time

I wonder if there's a forum out there for people on the dole that's only accessible via a government issued laptop via SNAP, where they are hand wringing wondering if Kim will win and they will lose much more than a 15 round mag. Not a chance. Why? Because they are enslaved to their democratic masters and will dutifully carry their bale of cotton, oops I mean vote. We on the other hand do this. We were supposed to be in the 9th year of Hussein's reign, yet they are all besides themselves because there's one of us sitting in that Oval Office. Actually one of us with a couple of billion dollars. How fun is that? Remember the scene in Animal House where they are sunk and know they are getting thrown off campus? What does Bluto say? Toga toga toga... DJT is our very own Bluto. Toga Toga Toga...

Well well well... I think Zeke's point, if I may be so presumptuous, is that nothing has happened yet and this thread has us dead and buried. People are making decisions on something that may, or may not, happen. We wear seat belts, but we don't check ourselves into a hospital because we are getting in a car. The point is that if those farmers, coopers, docksmen and lawyers 241 years ago had the same attitude, we'd actually know what kippers are and be fond of boiled meat. We are free men and women, with a natural right to self determination. If we disagree, get the hell off your memory foam seat and do something. Like changing your Facebook profile pic every time jihadists slaughter innocents, it accomplishes nothing if you go back to kimye and dancing with the stars the next day. So if you are truly concerned, tell some one to vote. There are more of us than them, we just give up sooner.

Well, frankly, I think this is all a bit premature really --- but suppose they do change magazine limits, what does that mean - legally? What would the corresponding "penalty" be if caught with one? A fine? Jail time? Will people find the risk worth the benefit? I'm just saying it's an individual choice, that's all. And it's each individual's to make.

I believe the same object can satisfy all three requirements...

I have no intention of complying. First the Dem has to win. Far from a certainty. Second, they have to have the audacity to try to pass such a bill. They probably do.... but...will there be a price to pay? And someone find photos of Murphy getting funky with xxxx xxxxxx. He's a Lib... surely xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx. Dang it... Not the appropriate forum for that comment. As far as Hollywood on his side.... Didn't work so well in GA-6. Not even $25 Mill made a difference.

Yes I wanted to go with the Jack from Sharps Bros but it wasn't available at that moment so went with the Warthog. The lower parts are almost all Spikes Tactical, except the buffer tube. Then the BCG and the muzzle brake are Spikes also

I didn't like the Hera Arms fixed stock too much so I decided to change it. Went and got a Magpul MOE SL pistol grip and Stock. Removed the Hera buttstock and replaced it with the Magpul stuff. Then pinned the stock myself. Also added a Magpul sling. Tomorrow I will be getting a UTG pro Quad Rail to replace the Current round rail. With Hera Arms Stock With Magpul MOE SL furniture pinned stock

Assuming there is ever legislation passed and signed into law to limit magazines to 10 rounds, it will come down to how many resources they can devote to "policing" that legislation... whether it be a full force "confiscation" attempt (which I doubt, seriously), or (more likely) additional charges for being caught "in state" with them (at which point they would be confiscated). I think the best alternative is to have all those mags take a little "vacation" out of state.. Find a place where you can store them out of state and then use them when you are in that state (or any state other than NJ). I gather PA is the more likely choice for most of you. I will offer a "free" storage service for any NJGF members that want to send them on vacation to Florida! Come visit them anytime you like. When you finally GTFO NJ and move to a free state, they'll be waiting for you. It's what I did when A2006 was getting close to being passed.

I'm glad he's still keeping this pledge even after his federal office hopes were dashed.

Oh these debates will never die.

I shot a stock 19 for the first time in a while at the pistol class i just took. Man the grip on those sucks... besides that glock is pretty hard to beat in a lot of categories Sent from my SM-G920V using Tapatalk

My opinion: If you're serious about working at home, about the business you do, and you're not living in a cardboard box stay away from those "boxes" that give you lifetime free calling. Depending on the call one screw-up and that's two or three years worth of billing for Vonage. Especially if you're working for yourself. Also think customer service. Don't be a schlemiel and try to save a few bucks.

All new look for a Glock that looks like a...................... Glock

I had some for breakfast today at Honey's in Fairfield Maybe I had too many.

Sooner or later, the SC is going to have to define the word Infringed.

The Indian surely matters but in this arena the arrow matters too.

Wondering if OP every purchased anything, has started their FID and pistol permit paperwork or at least tried a few different firearms? The CZ Kadet Conversion is very well respected. Don't be afraid to look at the CZ 75 just because you've never heard of CZ. It is one of the most widely copied platforms in the world. Very well respected firearm. I've shoot my friends Buckmark and it was very accurate. Eventually I would like to pick one up myself. So many good 22s to choose from!

Which is where I think they (NRA) want NJ to stay..... they need a poster child to keep soliciting $$$... Thus, no *real* help, but things like this article, which brings them more $$$ support on a national level, but doesn't do a thing about helping NJ specifically.

Nobody asked you!

Except now he'll just run it empty, wasting water, in order to not be caught in a lie. Or worse, wash the same G-string and calico socks over and over and over.

I've never been asked either. I believe I asked for anyone to cone forth and tell us about being asked if there are guns in the car by police. I'm still waiting. Don't drive like a jackass and don't dress like a gangbanger.

I'm just going to buy one of these now:

Last week I thought to myself, I have too many black rifles. So I decided to take a few cans of rust-oleum and see what kind of damage I can do to may stag. Well, here is the end result: