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^^^You two handled the "Sandy EXEMPTION" quite well, so BRAVO, lol! And Paul handled the temporary residence that you might have to PROVE with used aftershave & toothbrush. And GRIZ is right, you don't have to OWN a residence to live there! So I'll just chime-in with this tidbit: If you write "LONG GUN" instead of merely "gun" in your explanation of intentions, and you happen to have a valid NJFPID Card, then you may transport your UNLOADED Long Gun (rifle or scattergun) at any time of the day or night, ANYWHERE in NJ 'cept for a Gun Free Zone, Military Installation/Federal Building, or illegal Gun "Buy-Back" in a Newark, Camden, Patterson or New Brunswick Church basements . So when you say or write "GUN" here on the forum, it's still a little vague. Zip gun, Desert Eagle in .50 A.E. or any HAND GUN in-between is a HAND GUN. If you pay the Direct TV bill (or any other monthly ongoing expense) at the GF's house or Apt., you just hit the JACKPOT, cause now you have PROOF OF A SECOND RESIDENCE w/o someone examining your Aqua Velva bottle . So now your HAND GUN is kosher (just don't let the nosy neighbor in 3B see ya packin' in the hallway while you get the mail )

This Law Could Make or Break High-Capacity Magazine Bans http://www.realclearpolicy.com/articles/2017/08/16/this_law_could_make_or_break_high-capacity_magazine_bans.html 'California’s Proposition 63 presents a rare opportunity for the Court to step in and make clear that if Americans have a right to any weapon “in common lawful use,” that includes the whole weapon — not just the parts that don’t frighten the California legislature.' The article lays out clearly why magazine bans are unconstitutional under both the second amendment and the fifth amendment "Takings Clause". This case could obviously directly help New Jersey.

What if you live in a van, down by the river?

IMHO, it is legal per NJ law, as it does not allow the stock to be collapsed. Nothing in the law states permanency, nor tools. But, ..........

https://www.harborfreight.com/1195-lb-capacity-48-in-x-96-in-heavy-duty-folding-trailer-62666.html I've had one of these going on 12 years now. I've beaten the piss out of it. other than the occasional bulb and greasing the hubs i've done nothing but add wood for a deck and sides, and paint the wood a couple times. I keep mine folded and indoors though, so that's probably helped the longevity.

Eh, what? Are you trying to communicate via code to someone with that? The chair is against the wall. John has a long moustache. Sent from my SM-T813 using Tapatalk

You don't need a residence or home to transport your handgun out of state. You're covered under FOPA as long as your possession of the gun is legal where you start and legal where you arrive. You need to follow FOPA transportation rules which are a little more restrictive than NJ.

In a "typical" hotel situation, I 100% concur. Where I tend to "stray in interpretation" is when it comes to these "long-term" "Residence Inns" set-up for contracted employees to live there for months at a time, while under contract. Some of these multi-month contracts can last half a year or more, so the contract employees never "check-out" until their contract position expires. They leave their personal belongings at the hotel all the time, while both at work & "play" during non-working times. They receive mail there, so IMO, in that specific case, it qualifies as a residence. If you don't get mail there & don't leave your personal belongings there, then it's NOT a residence. You are correct! Hotels don't qualify as a residence 99.9% of the time since hardly anyone can say they get MAIL there.

Overnight stay in hotels (airbnb and other million variations) is NOT considered a domicile or residence. Claiming you leave a pair of underwear at your GF / BF place does not qualify as a domicile or residence. There are always tricky situations. Someone may have a unique situation of living out of hotel for few months, made special arrangement with the hotel on pricing, conduct their daily routine/business out of the place - May be. Or someone got a kid with GF and live few days out of GF house - May be. Or your work is closer to GF house and you really stay there 5 days a week and come back your other home over weekend - or other way around - May be. A typical Judge Judy can squeeze it out of you in few minutes.

Thanks Ed! I try to be both enlightening & entertaining. These dry laws can drive a man to DRINK! I'll be here till Tuesday; try the veal, lol!

Automatically when? At time of purchase/acquisition? At time of spouses death? Hand gun permits don't have room for two named individuals & neither do C.O.E.'s for long guns. So the gun(s) only BELONG to one or the other. The monetary VALUE (expressed in dollars) of said personal property can be divided in Divorce Court, and the one & only owner of said firearm(s) can either liquidate the asset (sell it) or buy the spouse's portion (as decreed in the divorce papers). This monetary arrangement is normal & customary for property obtained during a marriage. It still doesn't give a spouse the right to illegally possess, illegally transport to & from an exempt location (i.e.: shooting range) since only the OWNER is stipulated to have those EXEMPTIONS. If there are 10 beneficiaries (heirs) named in the will, which one gets to take it to the range? Answer: The owner of said firearm NAMED IN THE WILL or whomever the Executor/Executrix deems worthy of either an offer to buy-out the other heirs OR he/she may simply liquidate the asset to satisfy the Probate Court so as to enable him/her to make disbursements from the deceased's estate. At time of spouses death, if a firearm is named in the will of a deceased, it becomes the property of the named heir/beneficiary. Most likely that will be the spouse, but sometimes it might be a favorite grandson, for instance. I can will my firearm(s) to the NRA Museum, my local Boy Scout Council, etc. as I don't need to will them to a live, breathing person.

Good luck in your dream world. Sent from an undisclosed location via Tapatalk

I have been meaning to post this for a while, First a huge thanks to Jessica Bennett of the Buffalo Bill Center Of The West/ Cody Firearms Museum and Robert Beach of Griffin & Howe. Backstory- When I was 12 and got my hunting licenses my grandmother wanted to give me one of my grandfathers guns to hunt with. She opened her gun safe and told me to pick a gun I'd like (cool grandma, I know) I picked a 20g side by side (legally transferred to my dad) and took it to a gunsmith to be checked out. the front bead was chipped so I asked if he could put a new one on. He looked me and asked me if I knew anything about the gun. I knew nothing about guns and told him so, he laughed and told me that it was a valuable shotgun and he would not put a new sight on it because that was the original sight. He said it was in good working order other than the sight and that I should be careful with it if I take it hunting. I decided not to hunt with it but shot allot of clays with it over the years but It developed a small crack in the hand guard so it was retired to the safe. when I got my FID card I took legal possession of the shotgun. According to my grandmother the shotgun was my great grandfathers who was an avid small game hunter. The search- A few years ago I inherited the rest of grandmas guns and began to learn as much of the history about each of them as I could. I pulled the Model 21 from the back of the safe one day. I had heard of the Cody museum so for my birthday my wife paid to get the info from the original build sheet if they had the info for my serial number which was a low one, #6263. To my surprise they did in fact have the build sheet, they printed all the info out on a really nice paper and sent it to me. This was great but it lead to more questions than it answered. My Great Grandfather, Art Hall of Bedminster NJ was not a wealthy man, just a painter and a baseball player, but it turns out that this Model 21 was made in 1933 and was a trap grade skeet gun and included all the factory measurements and specs for the gun. I wondered what great grandpa was doing with a shotgun like that back then, everything else was either hunting or military type guns. Another surprise to me was that the gun was made for by a company I've heard of but didn't know the history of, Abercrombie and Fitch of Madison ave NYC. Turns out they were like a high end LL Bean back in the day. So while researching Abercrombie and Fitch I learned that Griffin & Howe was involved with importing guns for the A&F store. I contacted Robert Beach of the archives and research dept at Griffin & Howe, I figured it was a longshot but it couldn't hurt to ask if he could find any info about the gun for me. Well I hit the mother load of information, everything I was looking for and then some! I was sent a packet with all the info on the entire history of the gun. included was a 2 page story of the history of the gun printed on very nice Griffin & Howe letterhead, Any info from all 3 previous owners, photos of pages A&F inventory books pertaining to both sales of the gun, and a reproduction of the A&F catalog ad selling model 21's for 145 bucks in 1933. The life of Winchester Model 21 #6263 1-Left Winchester Repeating arms on September 20, 1933. Received by Abercrombie & Fitch on Sept 20 1933 at a cost of $100.93 2-First sold to Frederick Wilson Ingalls a stock broker and resident of Pelham Manor Village in Westchester county NY on Sept 22 1933 for $145.30. 3-On 1/23/1937 the shotgun was brought into A&F by Chas J Wicks of Thornwood, Mt Pleasant Twp Westchester county NY to be sold on consignment. Chas was an employee of A&F in the gun dept during this time. It looks like the gun was sold privately from Mr. Ingalls to Mr. Wicks especially because they were residents of the same county. One could guess as to why a stock broker is selling off guns between 1933 and 1937. 4-On 1/24/1937 the shotgun was bought by Dr. Augustus Smith Knight who was a Medical doctor and served as the medical director of the Metropolitan Life Insurance company for $100.00 with a payout to the consigner (Mr. Wicks) of $80.00. Dr. Knight was a resident of Manhattan NY and also had a farm in Bedminster NJ. This is where the A&F info stops but from knowing my family history I can take it from here 5-Art Hall (my great grandfather) was a painter in Bedminster NJ and he did all the painting at the Knight farm in Bedminster. Dr. Knight and Mr. Hall were also hunting buddy's. After Dr. Knight died on March 21, 1948, Art Hall still continued to help out Dr. Knights widow, Anita Knight with anything she needed around the farm. When I say anything I do mean anything, its family rumor that Anita Knight was Art Halls mistress. So it is my guess that Dr. Knight either gave Art Hall the gun as a payment or a gift or Anita Knight gave it to him as a gift or a "payment" LOL. When Art hall died his daughter Jane Luhmann (aka my grandmother) inherited the gun along with the rest of his collection. My grandfather Richard Luhmann was a hunter and gun guy so it was used by him until he died and then a few years later I was 12 and you know the rest. So about the small crack in the hand guard. ill try and post pics later. its small but its there and its all the way through. what do you guys think should I have it repaired to stabilize it. I would really like to shoot it again but I don't have to its been a few years already and id rather not do something to the gun to devalue it just so I can shoot it. Hopefully my daughter my future grandkids can sell if for a good amount if they don't like to shoot. LOL.

Thank You for posting that. I hope it makes a difference here in the future

Only you can decide if the ergonomics of a flat trigger are for you, but they are for me. When correctly build for the gun, they will tend to break when they are in the most vertical position, perpendicular to the line of sight. For a lot of shooters this helps with trigger control, as you are pulling straight back at when the gun fires so you have less likelihood to move the gun around with the trigger. I think this is happens to be part of the reason why the 1911 triggers are considered by many to be the gold standard. I don't think they are a must have for everyone, but they are for me, nearly every gun I care about shooting well has a flat trigger, pistols or rifles. I'm even curious now if someone makes them for shotguns.

25% off coupon can be found online anytime and can be used for on sale items. Keep an eye on them for when they go on sale.

2x4 on the rails. I'll take a pic later. If you can find a 25% off coupon, that's your best bet. Otherwise, 20% is good enough. Insider tip, they have large sales 4x a year, the Thursday before the sale starts, they discount their wares, and you could still use a coupon. That used to be a glitch in their system, not sure if they've fixed it. Been a while since I had a large ticket purchase from them. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I have a Remington model 760 pump that when you slightly move/twist the forearm it will allow the action to slide back.

You are 100% correct, there is no mandatory registration of hand guns or long guns in NJ. You could wheel-in your bus-sized RV from Free Amerikka loaded with a 200 gun collection and merely keep yer yap shut .

Looks like most are worth it. But you have to know what you are looking at. I find most collectibles at auctions or gunboards.

I'd recommend the Tractor Supply 5x8 mesh deck for what you're looking for. Maybe a bit overkill, but it's a real trailer that will last a lifetime. Get it on sale for $600 and you'll find more uses for it than you could imagine. Light enough to tow behind most cars, full size trailer tires and frame. Store it behind the shed when not being used. Plus it won't lose any value if you decide to sell it. Everyone I've spoken to that bought the 4x8 Harbor Freight trailer eventually sells it, either because they don't need it or want something bigger. Either way it's barely worth the cost of the plywood you put on it.

Folding one is very strong but folds to store in garage. Its pretty convienent. There are pockets built in to trailer frame that accept wood or whatever for sides. Plywood, diamond plate, aluminum ECT the choices are endless for floor and side rail materials If you want to see how crazy people can get with these trailers search Harbor Freight trailers on expeditionportal.com

May be its Detective Dave, Prosecutor Pete, Judge Judy and Jury James, all in the room looking at the person claiming the ridiculous "domicile". :-) Point is, people with much bigger things at stake than couple of firearms try creative ways to claim domicile / residence. Some get away and some get caught. Some are so silly, they might as well skip the real legal system and just go in front of JJ.

That would be an interesting situation in NJ. IIRC you need to give a street address to get a FID and driver's license. I could be wrong on that. You may have moved (you and your van) from another state with the firearm. I knew of some people who lived in vans (VW Microbuses the choice in the 60s and 70s) but none of them owned firearms. Surfboards and guitars yes but no guns.

http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/matt-foley-van-down-by-the-river/3505931?snl=1

Judge Judy is entertainment. One of the judge shows I like but it's entertainment. A hearing, only before a judge, requires the judge to decide matters of fact and law. The judge only decides on matters of law in a trial with a jury. The jury decides fact and if that fact indicates you broke the law as far as they are concerned find you guilty. The only way just about any firearms violation in NJ is going to put you just before a judge is: 1. You requested a hearing instead of a trial. This can be a smart move in some criminal cases. 2. You've pled guilty or guilty to a lesser offense. To do either of #2 you have to admit to the judge you've committed all the elements of a crime.

We are venturing into EXTREMELY UNLIKELY scenarios. If I got stopped in NJ, then they got probable cause (or I bad mouthed them), then I got searched, then they found my stash, then they suspect me of gun / drug running, then they found my 12,000 cash in rubber band bundles, then they question me, then I tell him about going somewhere, then they refuse to believe it.. then I SHUT MY MOUTH AND ASK FOR LAWYER. In all seriousness, I do not carry any proof of any home or any proof of going anywhere I said I am going. If it comes to that, I would have bigger things to worry about. And what GRIZ said ^^^^^

NO! I inherited hand guns w/o any P2P's in the 80's. NO paperwork. Guys brought home .45's from the last 3 major conflicts in the 20th century. My dad was one of them. Not every gun in NJ has a paper trail to find

Residence is likely defined as place you sleep, eat, keep personal belongings, etc on a regular basis. It doesn't have to be certain days or a certain amount of time spent there a year. If you did all these things at a hotel it would probably qualify. The difference with a hotel is you're just there for a certain perid of time. You don't leave personal belongings there when you check out. IMO, hotels don't qualify as a residence for virtually everyone under NJ firearms law.

Rosie. You still got it old man.

IMHO, if you stay occasionally at the girlfriend's crib, clothes and toiletries present, it is your residence at that time. Just like a hotel. You may need to prove that however. Sent from my SM-T350 using Tapatalk

Been there...small shop. Owner is very knowlegable. Has a lot of high end stuff there. You can find his stuff on gunsinternational.com under theyankee

There's one pin to remove in the beaver tail and the sear block slides out, freeing the trigger bar. There are two pins and the takedown lever above the trigger to remove to slide that section out and free the trigger and return spring. Then you swap the trigger and put everything back. No sweat.

I need this with a door mount option.

April 2024 I read somewhere. Total in upstate NY

Idk bro, you look pretty young for your age.

Great options already posted, and here is another if you're interested. If you are considering a 14.5" barrel (carbine or mid-length gas systems), consider BCM. They have options on all of their 14.5" uppers where they will pin a muzzle device to make the upper a non-NFA item (if you were to put it on a lower). You would have to do your own research into the muzzle devices, but plenty of their options have been considered good to go for NJ. Pro-tip: Of the two gas-lengths, there are more options with the mid-length 14.5" uppers. I would also recommend choosing an upper without a front sight post/block since those have the bayonet lugs on them. You can forget that previous sentence if you have someone in mind that can shave the lug off for you of course. I personally have an NJ-compliant upper that I ordered directly off their site without any modifications needed. To boot, BCM is a reputable manufacturer.

Two real men with a hand truck and pickup should be enough.

Marginally because the cover they back strap. The shape is different so it's hard to compare. Grips are very subjective. Adios, Pizza Bob

It was a joke. Here's another: Do you know what the penalty is for bigamy? Two wives.

Generally, yes, there is a strict possession limit for wives. Parts of Utah are considerably more lenient, though.

Its not so much that the AR is touchy, but that when reloading it is important to make ammo in spec.

Open carry of a NJ-legal firearm on property you own is legal, but that doesn't guarantee that your local law enforcement won't arrest and charge you anyway and compel you to prove it in court.

PK, love ya, but that's an over-simplification. Hollowpoint ammo, for instance, is illegal to possess outside of exempted locations, of which the possesor's home is one such exempted location.

It is not a flaw. A number of semi-auto shotguns do that, namely most of the ones with the jointed shell release mechanism. That setup buys you some things but it adds this behavior. You can choose to not purchase the gun because of this behavior, and I certainly understand it. I run an inertia gun with the same jointed shell release mechanism and I far prefer it. Sure, you can buy a cheaper Mossberg and then throw it away when it breaks in the 12 different ways which they do one actually used hard enough. Or step up to the Benelli design, which doesn't do that if it bothers you. Personally if you asked me what I disliked most about the 1301 I wouldn't even consider the "flaw" listed here, my main complaint would be the location and size of the shell release button.

Help me decide my future. Marry a hot girl with a lot of money. That's the best advice I can give.