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For girls it's when they are to fat and slow to out run their brothers. For boys it's 37, that's when they learn how to read basic words like speed limit, stop, etc...

I truly believe we're not giving anything away... we all know our anti-2A-obsessed legislators will fight tooth and nail and this will all ultimately be battled in the court system anyway. Honestly? I'd make a push to personally get some extra freelance gigs to devote some of my meagre earnings to the 2A org bringing the most viable lawsuits. It's time, people. It's overdue.

THIS. EVEN IF I cannot carry as NJ resident, I WANT every tom, dick and harry from others states to carry here. I then would challenge NJ ridiculous restrictions on its own Citizens. Its a WIN-WIN no matter. But first, lets try to get it passed through and through.

@BobA, @Darrenf, @remixer, @DSD1026, @fatty, @124gr9mm, @Tony13 I know this was posted a long time ago but I am just seeing it now. We have finally begun construction and are pretty excited about it. Sorry for the confusion, and to answer everyone's question, you can either pay $279 per year for unlimited usage, or $20 per hour.

Nice!!! I’m doing a bbq brisket for Christmas dinner!

As I said earlier... they would not even NEED a law like this if it weren't for the shenanigans already pulled by states like NY and NJ. The legislators here are NUTS. All these other states where people have concealed carry... the statistics are clear. They aren't the wild west. People are not running around shooting their neighbors. Credible researchers have been entirely unable to show that concealed carry causes crime - because it doesn't. I'm a logical person - I go where the facts lead me. My conclusion is... our legislators are not really concerned about crime... they never were... for them, it's about control. Pure and simple. After digging into these issues for almost 2 years now, I'm totally convinced of this.

Conceal carry party outside of Weinberg's office?

:)

Winning!

The 55 mph speed limit, .08 blood alcohol, and other things get tied to Federal highway money. They were requirements to get it. That's how the Feds get states to comply.

Eh, I'm not about to join you on that particular venture. I still think Roubian is a loose cannon who takes one step forward then two giant steps backwards. But, I will GLADLY eat crow on this if I turn out to be horribly wrong.

As @GRIZ mentioned on the first page of this thread: the bill could cause some constitutional issues if it forces non-resident permits to be accepted in-state. Which may be why the current bill has the wording that Peel and I are confused about. There is a difference between a state not enforcing federal law and actively violating it.

Well, Murphy already stated he want's us to be a sanctuary state, so unless the feds call their bluff, yes states can refuse to abide by federal law, which itself seems a silly question considering how much of the Constitution NJ already thumbs it's nose at.

i don't think states will have grounds to do lawsuits, if they have in the past accepted federal oversight which forced something on their citizens. something such as.....osamacare perhaps? as for injunctions, i guess if trump hasn't gotten enough actual judges appointed by the time this happens, they'll happen.......but i feel they'll be struck down. i'm trying to stay hopeful/positive here dammit.

you are confused. that new hampshire permit would under this bill become good in all 50 states. any issued ccw permit would become like your drivers license. it would be good nationwide. it doesn't say that said permit must already allow one to carry in their home state....only that it allows them to carry.

First get it through the house, than senate, then survive state lawsuits and injunctions.

I found a tripod bag I had that is the perfect size for mine. Holds gun, spare ammo, sling. It even say tripod on the outside.

Let's hope! And if they do, this *should* trash the magazine limits issue too. If someone comes into NJ with a 23 round mag for their CCW, that should be Legal. Thus, we should also be able to use "standard" capacity mags in NJ.

You're up to Crow ? I'm still digesting my Turkey [emoji16] Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk

Ooohhh! That's interesting. That does shed some light. Maybe that wording is NOT as harsh as I thought after all. Of course, this has a long way to go. What I think is so interesting is that the legislators in states like ours and New York have only themselves to blame if this DOES pass. After all, if it weren't for insane, abusive cases like what our state did to Shaneen Allen, I think there wouldn't even have been such a push for this law in the first place.

It means if you carry a pencil with the intent of sticking it in a child's neck, it would not be manifestly appropriate.

jusyt hope they can/t get those ammendments added in the senate

This is from the Bloomberg news story, if passes as written, we'll be carrying in TRENTON . "A slew of amendments brought by Democrats were shot down, including a proposal by Nadler to ban violent offenders from possessing a concealed handgun and another from Sheila Jackson Lee of Texas to exclude those convicted of domestic violence and stalking. A residency amendment, brought by Democrat Zoe Lofgren of California, was also rejected. The amendment sought to prevent “permit shopping” by prohibiting those living in states with stringent conceal carry permit regulations from applying for permits in more lax states." Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk

sheesh......it truly is a virus. as for states rights.......states that are abusing their power need to be reigned in. the only way to do this is to do what hudson's proposing.

Read the last line of this quotation. I almost spit my coffee on my keyboard when I read that! LMAO!! Source-https://www.courthousenews.com/bill-expanding-conceal-carry-rights-expected-to-clear-vote/

nobody. i was asking a theoretical question.

I'm loving all the purse clutching in this article. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-11-29/get-ready-for-concealed-guns-in-all-50-states I don't think he was implying that it will pass or be up for vote on Monday, just assume it's coming, how can we stay two steps ahead.

Need a law suit in the queue.

Ur not negative - it' NEVER going to happen in NJ and will be fought ooh and nail by the legislature and gov..... so not negative realistic. ....but it is hopeful and poses other interesting avenues for legal challeneges....if the nj 2a groups can get off heir asses

Yeah. I’m kinda with Peel on this. Confused. not sure how #3 doesn’t mean the permit can be issued by any state but recognized by your state of residence.

OR is what makes the difference

shit....you just said in a single sentence what i just took an entire dam paragraph to say, lol

if he gets this through, i will donate to any legitimate charity of his or any co-sponsors choice. as long as they get it through for the entire country.......and do it in such a way that the next administration cannot simply kill it.

sorry 'bout that. multi-tasking and all.......did the wrong one the first time, lolol but....if it gets through like that.....there's not much nj can do to stop us from carrying, unless they end ALL concealed carry, which as we know will put it right to the supreme court toot sweet.

nevermind.....that was i think an older version. this one's the one i meant to post..... :::::::::::::: SEC. 2. RECIPROCITY FOR THE CARRYING OF CERTAIN CONCEALED FIREARMS. (a) In General.--Chapter 44 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by inserting after section 926C the following: ``Sec. 926D. Reciprocity for the carrying of certain concealed firearms ``(a) Notwithstanding any provision of the law of any State or political subdivision thereof (except as provided in subsection (b)) and subject only to the requirements of this section, a person who is not prohibited by Federal law from possessing, transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm, who is carrying a valid identification document containing a photograph of the person, and who is carrying a valid license or permit which is issued pursuant to the law of a State and which permits the person to carry a concealed firearm or is entitled to carry a concealed firearm in the State in which the person resides, may possess or carry a concealed handgun (other than a machinegun or destructive device) that has been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce, in any State that--::::::::::::: i added emphasis. https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/38/text?format=txt

I called my (democrat) reps today urging their support. Took 60 seconds. I encourage all to do the same...

Ok, who has a class coming up??

Hmmmm, in the end he freezes to death and she rides off in a warm Kat. I want a better ending.

It's kind of a one trick pony. I want something that I can carry the gun around in. If I wear that outside, the neighborhood would go bananas.

if so,thats when we bust out the 14A...equal protection under the law

Peel, that is correct. If you, a NJ resident, have a CCW in "any" state, you could use it in NJ if Hudson's bill gets thru without alteration. As mentioned before, the House will probably be pretty easy to get this thru, the Senate is a whole other matter. We'd have to hope that either a couple Dem's get onboard, or the can get 52 votes and use the "nuclear" option.

Aside from the Blocks - Sig 239, 229,226, 1911, S&W M&P Steyr M357 A1,I'm sure there are many I've missed. @JimB1 - It's not just the measuring and stretching, but the fact that since they aren't straight-walled pistol cases, carbide dies cannot be used, meaning the cases must be lubed - PITA, even with One Shot. Adios, Pizza Bob

357 Sig is based on a 40S&W / 10mm case so the 40S&W mags should be good...Breach face is good as well as the extractor. Recoil spring? I would look up the part # They're cheap anyway.

Here is a link to the NRA-ILA for just that purpose. https://www.nraila.org/articles/20171127/concealed-carry-reciprocity-is-on-the-move-your-lawmakers-need-to-hear-from-you-now Click on the "Write Your Federal Lawmakers" in the article.

One step forward for mankind.

I guess if you haven't called your reps yet, this would be the time to do it? Yes, I know some people might argue, "how will this help us in NJ?" - but I think it would exert even more pressure, bolster any subsequent legal suits brought, etc. It's another incremental step forward. Besides, from a simple standpoint of JUSTICE, the way out-of-state concealed carry licensees have been abused by this state is just WRONG - and IMO it needs to stop.

Don't fret none Mrs. Peel, cause it IS a "big focus" of every 2A group that shares info! In fact, CNJFO just helped to sponsor the Black Bag Resources' Minuteman Challenge down at Ft. Dix Range #14, and we'll be sending guns, ammo & volunteer instructors to Tony Simon's Diversity Shoot at Gun For Hire tomorrow night! Anthony Colandro's famous line, heard both on his podcast & in-person, "EACH ONE, REACH ONE!" is something I've personally been practicing for DECADES! Get Newbies behind the trigger, in a safe environment, with good instruction, and watch magic happen

My bad was thinking NH carry. I got corn fused

Why go on record by opposing it when you can smile, nod, and tacitly ignore it?