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Wow, when I read the title of this thread I was thinking something completely different. I was going to lend you my Korean cookbook.

was totally expecting

Incorrect. He is loyal, to a fault. He will never give up something without getting something in return. The art of the deal.

The ability that some here have to rationalize eating a shit sandwich never fails to amaze me. Strike that. It doesn't amaze me at all; I expect it. This is why the left always wins; even when losing, they always win. When did the left give in just a little on immigration? On the wall? On Daca? on voter ID? On e-verify? On tax cuts? On Obamacare? On anything Trump ran on? "But it could be worse with Hillary". Got news for you. Hilary lost; she ain't the president. The senate is not controlled by the democrats; neither is the house. There's no reason to give. Don't blame the rinos; blame yourself for voting for them; for allowing them to be rinos. Do you see any DINO's? And why not? Learn from the dems. The politicians only fear one thing; losing the job. Put that fear in them. We do nothing but give. I'm way past middle age and grey hair abounds and I'm tired of giving.

Skittles They’re also useful when your blood sugar starts getting low late in the afternoon.

The BATFE letter isn't worthless, but it isn't going to necessarily save you. 1) Any cop dealing with you won't know jack in detail. They'll do what they want and let people with more knowledge and authority sort shit out so long as their ass is covered by probable cause. The converse to this is that they probably won't do anything about it unless you give them a reason to, because they don't know the technical details of the law, if they know the law at all. They either think all evil black rilfes are illegal, or they know some aren't. But that's probably it at best. 2) The NJSP firearms unit is tasked with providing guidelines to departments and prosecutors on the technicalities of the law. They have promulgated the pinkey test. Good or bad. 3) Prosecutors go to court to win cases and make their numbers look good. They won't take a shitty case to court to lose unless they have a grudge or strong marching orders. In theory, when making that determination, they would look at the case they have and make at least a quick consult on technical issues. At that point the actual, specific to this case, opinions of the NJFU will matter a whole lot to them. At that point, the BATFE letter as submitted by your lawyer will also probably matter to them. Once again absent a grudge or strong marching orders, if they both say no it's not, your bill stops being run up there and you move on with your life minus some cash. 4) If it doesn't stop there, you are now going to argue reality vs the law in front of a judge. The law does NOT define a flash suppressor. This means more than likely you will have to down the road of arguing the common understand of the language used in the law. Which will lead to trying to prove that the device does not lessen flash in any meaningful way. The BATFE during the AWB had some unpublished metric for this. Now it does not. This leaves your lawyer and the prosecutor arguing over how much flash it makes vs a bare muzzle, and arguing what meets the common understanding of suppressed. This will likely mean expert testimony. The prosecutor's will be the NJFU guys if they concur it IS one, and possibly additional expert testimony sourced elsewhere. If favorable, one of those expert sources will likely be the manufacturer themselves, and any marketing materials will likely be accepted as the opinion of same in their absence and ignorance of the trial. The prosecutor will not be paying for anything that might help you. IF they have, the entity will just stay home and their results will be secret unless your lawyer discovers their existence and contents. If you are in this position, it means they have been told NO and prosecuted anyway. Don't expect them to abide by the law and willingly disclose stuff they have not made part of their case. SO now you have to pay for experts. Which cost a shit ton. AND you need the judge to not then decide that the common understanding of things is unfavorable to you and your expert. THAT is what TBill means by the letter being worthless. IT isn't protection from anyone but the BATFE. Vs. state law it is just evidence from an expert source in a situation where you are explicitly asking a judge, who based on precedent thinks you should go fuck yourself, for their opinion on where the threshold of the law is. Myself, if I didn't care about it being effective as a comp, I'd avoid that risk and just perm-attach a thread protector. IT's safe and gets the job done. It's also cheap. If I cared about it being effective, I'd buy something that did a good job. And produced as much of a fireball as possible. It would also be absent any verbiage from the manufacturer about flash suppression.

If liberals think that you are not responsible enough to own a gun, drink, or buy cigarettes until you are 21 then I would think that you are not responsible enough to be serve in the military, be drafted, or more importantly vote. These laws need to be changed as well. If they think that at 18 you are responsible enough to vote for a person that has the power to change the world then I would think that you should be responsible enough to have a beer or do a little target shooting or hunting with your own gun.

Honestly, I'd like to see kennedy go and be replaced with someone who gets high marks form the NRA AND the ACLU. Someone who is jsut a fan of freedom of the individual to not be dicked around by the system.

I don't give a damn about bump stocks. If they're banned or regulated via a law, so be it. My issue is HOW they want to go about banning them. A regulation from an unelected and unaccountable bureaucracy is not how this should be done. It sets precedent and opens too many doors for the next administration to ban whatever they want through executive Fiat. This will end badly.

My problem is with him giving something unilaterally. As a business man (that he is), he should have tied it with something, like DACA with wall. Either each side gets something or nobody gets nothing. He should have tied any "compromise" with a National CCW. Or tie with repeal of the real problem - Gun Free Zones. Or pick something ridiculous (still right thing to do) as calling Death Penalty for anyone shooting up schools. Giving something unilaterally is the shitty thing to do.

Will do Mrs. P. Open an account at ActiveJunky. If you get a reference from a ActiveJunky Member and use it to open an account you both get a cash back bonus after you meet the terms. You then sign on to ActiveJunky then select the vendor you wish to buy from. A new window opens with that vendor, sign in and order. Rebate percentages vary by vendor. You will get an email when you your order is validated. Rebates are posted to your ActiveJunky Account and payable quarterly to a PayPal account or by check. Just bought giftcards using last quarter's rebate. Got three cards coming at $62.21 each using rebate.

I can’t say what I want about Murphy without getting banned. We should hold another rally in Trenton. Outside his window, like we did a few years ago. We should die trying too...

Pinky test is not an actual test. Who's pinky is really the actual size? Don't get hung up on the legality of it. You've got the BATFE letter - that's more than enough for me. There are other comps out there that are a lot more in the grey area.

^^^Dude, I'm NOT the enemy! For the record, I don't like shit sammiches either, I just have to either learn to live with them (cause I only vote ONCE in each election) or I can retreat to Canada like a draft dodger. Since I'm a realist I understand how the world works. I don't always enjoy it, but I understand it...

Call or write to NJSP Det. Sgt. Brett Bloom in Firearms Division. Sgt. Bloom attended NJSAFECON for the last two years & is VERY helpful answering questions. He writes the rules, so he oughtta KNOW what they are, lol. He's a NRA Lifer & on our side

He's picking battles. I agree with Smokin '50. If he is not careful midterms could be a disaster and then he's a 2 year lame duck.

DON'T ask lawyers, cops or gunsmiths Any questions on legality for anything gun related! You would probably get better advice from a shoemaker! The pinky test is BS. If it is sold as a compensator or brake and the description says nothing about flash mitigation. You are GTG! PS. The best place to ask questions is right here on this forum. There are more knowledgeable people here than just about anywhere you could find!

If Murphy reduces magazine capacity to 10 rounds I say the state of New Jersey owes me a ton of money for making my legally purchased property illegal with a stroke of a pen! Let them pay for the replacements or blocks!

Why are bump stocks so popular? What is the appeal of a bump stock. If your answer is anything other than it makes an AR fire like a full auto , the answer is wrong. While a bump stock may be legal because it technically does not make a firearm full auto by the strictest definition of full auto. A definition which is drawn on the mechanics of the fire control group. The fact of the matter is this; Bump stocks are intended to reproduce the mechanical properties of a full auto fire control group. It's not for a better grip, it's not to reduce recoil, it's not to enhance accuracy. It's one and only purpose in life is to turn a semi-auto rifle into a full auto rifle by means of a mechanism other than the fire control group.. You don't have to like it, but those are the facts. Up until Vegas, bump stocks were a novelty. They look like they'd be a lot of fun but they are not a critical component, not OEM so to speak. We have a lot of strong 2A supporters here, and I am most definitely one of them. We have bigger fish to fry, like a second AWB, magazine limits and CCW. If we have to throw the daffodils a bone to distract them while we get the steak, I'm good with that. Trump is going to regulate bump stocks, not ban them. Even if they get put on the NFA list as a tax stamp item, it's not like you can legally use one in NJ anyway. As a NJ resident, it's pointless to obsess over bump stocks when there are more important and troubling things coming down the pike that will have a far greater impact on 2A in New Jersey.

I think you guys are making excuses for Trump, and it is going to hurt even more when you finally realize that you have been had. I've always said Trump wasn't my first choice, but I got fully behind him when he was my only choice. I even started to buy into that he was different. First the budget and now this shows Trump is just another one of them. It is disappointing but there were other signs as well. Including the bombing of Syria and our continued involvement in Syria. Hopefully I am wrong, but I am afraid I am not. If Trump was any truly any different, Hillary would have been charged.

Definitely obey the speed limit on the base. You will get a ticket for doing 27 in a 25 and you have to appear before a magistrate. No paying that ticket on-line. You can smoke at R-14. Every cease fire is smoke 'em if ya got 'em.

We, as responsible gun owners, need to rattle Murphy’s cage. To let him know we can’t be bullied or made into felons overnight.

Just ordered 3 cards. I've ordered Cabelas gift cards from SVM thru EBay before. No issues with this vendor. Thanks for the heads up Lambo!

murphy is insane. i can't say anything else here without getting it moved.

You have the same bathe letter I had...... why are you worrying the batfe tested the items and proved it's not a flash hider..... If that is not enough best you get a rifle that had no threads. ....of which this will all be a moot point shortly. Lastly....quite a few gunshop owners know jack shite

I never heard of any stories about anyone getting jammed up by a muzzle device. So you would be the first! Relax, please!

Though I do agree, it needn't be a sweeping change - 1-2 additional key replacements could make a substantial change to the tone of the court, to their willingness to take on 2A cases, and to the way those cases would then be decided. Four might be a pipe dream, but 1 or 2 more... considering their ages? Not so impossible. Dare to dream!

As opposed to what? Stomping your feet and yelling NO, No, NO, to your computer monitor? From what I can tell that’s not working out much better.

Still certified just not professionally. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Not sure if this one will get me in trouble but here goes, The teacher asks little Jonny to use the word indefinitely is a sentence so, little Jonny thinks about it for a few seconds and replies. "If my balls are pressed up against your ass I'm in, definitely"

Bump stocks for national CCW?

I’m done with his dumbass. not sorry

Watch the cornhole.. good luck

The problem with D&D is "It's ENTERTAINMENT STUPID"! They agitate a response, the poke-the-Bear! They have topics & polls that are divisive in nature, and they do play off of each other! And Diminski is a RINO at best, and I think he says he voted Libertarian. So now he can sleep at night & wring his hands when real men & women have to make the hard decisions! I too am growing weary of his BS and may stop listening altogether!

Good luck calling.. that mailbox is full!

I'm leaving Friday after work. I can't believe that it crept up this quickly. To say I'm stoked would be quite the understatement.

I currently ( today) hate you with the fire and fury of 1 thousand super nova’s! Mine jus went. And somehow, someway, it’s your fault! But I have an RV.. ha! 2 is one, 1 is none.

Totally correct^^^! Hopefully he's playing his cards close to the vest. His team did a great job playing the Electoral College vote w/ tv buys that went into other states that he won. Let's hope just because we don't know what the game is, that we still enjoy the net-net outcome. Remember the politics surrounding HR 38 & "the bump"? Well, HR 38 cleared the house didn't it? This could merely be the second shoe to drop. Keep in mind it's not a law, just an EO, which he himself can rescind after National Reciprocity becomes signed LAW.... I put NOTHING past the realm of possibility, and I continue to hope for the best!

Hey, smell my finger?

Trump Thinks He Could appoint Four Supreme Court Justices—In Just One Term: Report http://www.newsweek.com/trump-supreme-court-justices-appoint-686076

Arrogant SOB’s. I wish just one town was sued successfully for violation of the few rights we DO have, so these others fall into line. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

@Rob0115 The law in Illinois seems to make it clear that they cannot sell standard cap. mags to anyone other than LEO/military. Sec. 54-212. - Assault weapons, and large-capacity magazines; sale prohibited; exceptions. (a) It shall be unlawful for any person to manufacture, sell, offer or display for sale, give, lend, transfer ownership of, acquire, carry or possess any assault weapon or large capacity magazine in Cook County. This subsection shall not apply to: (1) The sale or transfer to, or possession by any officer, agent, or employee of Cook County or any other municipality or state or of the United States, members of the armed forces of the United States; or the organized militia of this or any other state; or peace officers to the extent that any such person named in this subsection is otherwise authorized to acquire or possess an assault weapon and/or large capacity magazine and does so while acting within the scope of his or her duties; (2) Transportation of assault weapons or large capacity magazine if such weapons are broken down and in a nonfunctioning state and are not immediately accessible to any person. (b) Any assault weapon or large capacity magazine possessed, carried, sold or transferred in violation of Subsection (a) of this section is hereby declared to be contraband and shall be seized and disposed of in accordance with the provisions of Section 54-213. (c) Any person including persons who are a qualified retired law enforcement officer as defined in 18 U.S.C. § 926C who, prior to the effective date of the ordinance codified in this section, was legally in possession of an assault weapon or large capacity magazine prohibited by this division shall have 60 days from the effective date of the ordinance to do any of the following without being subject to prosecution hereunder: (1) To legally remove the assault weapon or large capacity magazine from within the limits of the County of Cook; or (2) To modify the assault weapon or large capacity magazine either to render it permanently inoperable; or (3) To surrender the assault weapon or large capacity magazine to the Sheriff or his designee for disposal as provided below. (Ord. No. 13-O-32, 7-17-2013.)

It's also politics & pick yer battles. He did this to shut-up the RINO pansies that need to feel good. He has more legislation to move, so now he can point to this & say he "did something". I knew it was going to happen. Anybody with half a brain & gray hair had at least an inkling. I trust my gut just like Leroy Jethro Gibbs, lol! As you wring yer hands & cry over the "bump", keep in mind Hildebeast would have done a LOT worse than this...

Maybe this court won’t, but it will be a different court soon. Ginsburg is, what, 135 years old?

It won't as it exists. That's been clear for a while. The only appointment was to replace a pro 2a guy with what is likely a pro 2a guy. Until you replace someone who is anti or a waffler, you won't change the behavior of the court. That behavior will be detrimental to everyone on many issues, because it weakens the position of the court and sets precedent to disregard other amendments.

I personally think they hate AR15 platform (and likes) because its modular, interchangeable, simple, easy maintenance. They start there and they will come after EVERYTHING, no matter how much of "we are not after your guns" song they sing. They are wolves in sheep cloths.

That is incorrect. It is on Federal land BUT you must follow the state laws in which the land is in.

I have *slightly* more respect for certain persons here, than I did mere minutes ago.

Spent some time with Krylon and bubble wrap. Barreled action will be Cerakoted.