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THE LATEST ON ANJRPC’S LEGAL CHALLENGES TO NJ MAG BAN AND NJ CARRY LAW Hold Onto Your Magazines – We Anticipate a Decision On Our Injunction Motion in September and Will Provide Detailed Guidance Then Carry Lawsuit Moving Through Federal Appeals Court It has been a busy summer for ANJRPC’s federal legal challenges to New Jersey’s magazine ban and unconstitutional carry laws. There has been significant activity in both lawsuits, and the following updates have been provided by attorney Dan Schmutter, Esq., who is local counsel in both cases: MAGAZINE BAN CASE The U.S. District Court held evidentiary hearings over three days during the week of August 13th on ANJRPC’s application for a preliminary injunction in the lawsuit to strike down New Jersey’s new magazine ban (which prohibits the possession of magazines with a capacity over 10 rounds). The injunction application seeks to put the new law on hold while the case is decided. The Court heard testimony from three of the State’s witnesses and then finished up the week hearing testimony from our expert witness, Florida State University Criminologist Professor Gary Kleck. The State’s witnesses offered various opinions on the nature and use of magazines with a capacity of greater than 10 rounds. Cross-examination of the State’s witnesses was thorough and crisp, and the Judge was engaged and attentive. Professor Kleck testified that depriving law abiding gun owners of standard capacity magazines holding over 10 rounds will not only not reduce mass shootings, but will also make lawful self-defense more difficult. He also addressed the opinions of the State’s witnesses, identifying flaws in their data and reasoning. The parties are scheduled to submit closing briefs on the injunction motion on September 4, followed by telephonic oral argument on September 6. [Important Note from ANJRPC: We have received numerous inquiries from gun owners asking for guidance on what to do with their magazines. ANJRPC will issue detailed guidance once we have a decision on the injunction motion, and we suggest that gun owners await that decision before doing anything with their magazines over 10 rounds. In the meanwhile, gun owners are cautioned not to use, transport, or attempt to purchase magazines over 10 rounds – all of which are prohibited and could result in serious criminal charges. Please see prior guidancefrom gun rights attorney Evan Nappen on this subject.] RIGHT TO CARRY LAWSUIT ANJRPC’S federal lawsuit Rogers v. Grewal, challenging New Jersey’s carry law, is moving forward. In May, as expected, the District Court dismissed the case, stating it was bound by a previous decision of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit,Drake v. Filko, upholding the law. We then filed an appeal with the Third Circuit in June. In July, we asked the Third Circuit panel assigned to the case to rule on the appeal “summarily,” without briefing or argument, again on the ground that the panel is already bound by the decision in Drake. We argued that Drake was wrongly decided but that a Third Circuit panel does not have authority to change that ruling. Instead, only the full complement of all Third Circuit judges, sitting together (known as “en banc”), or the U.S. Supreme Court, can overrule Drake. The attorneys for the State agreed, and we are currently awaiting a decision on our motion asking the Court to rule summarily. Whatever happens, the case will inevitably work its way toward possible consideration in the U.S. Supreme Court. Both the magazine ban case and the right to carry challenge were filed with the assistance of the National Rifle Association. ANJRPC thanks the NRA for its incredible support, which made both lawsuits possible. ANJRPC also thanks the law firm of Cooper & Kirk, and attorney Dan Schmutter, for their incredibly hard work in these cases.

Anyone free on Friday want to go on a Charter Fishing trip out of Belmar? @Sandy and I will be hitting up the Ol Salty II on Friday AM with a few friends - we have like 4 or 5 spots left on the boat. Will be fishing for Fluke & Blackfish Friday Aug 31st need to be there 6:30 a.m. $135 each plus pitch in for gratuity for crew. Let me know! https://www.facebook.com/OLSALTYTWO/ They got some big fish!

In act, sentiment and saying the same thing a different way perhaps: http://wafflesatnoon.com/to-conquer-a-nation-first-disarm-its-citizens-is-this-quote-from-hitler/

Aha! See it was that the fruit with meat that did it. See, Zeke your meatloaf almost poisoned this guy. Let this be a warning for the rest of you.

That's not necessarily the case. Perhaps counterintuitively, the great flu that occurred at the end of WWI (that some estimates say killed 100 million worldwide) preferentially killed the young and healthy, sparing the very young and the very old. The mechanism for the flu doing this was causing intense inflammation. The flu caused a person's immune system to go haywire and attack the body. Young healthy people - who had a more robust immune system - actually wound up in worse shape. There were reports of people walking onto the train under their own power to go home after work and being dead before they got to their stop. If you were an old geezer with a crappy immune system, you generally did ok. We are a very spoiled society. All of our former childhood illnesses - even chickenpox - are vanishingly rare and we have not had a serious pandemic in next to forever. There was a time when every family in America had someone or knew someone who died young from an infectious disease.

The 10 round limit is in effect for any NEW purchases and some are saying don't transport your 15's when going to the range right now. Being in possession of 10+ is legal until December. As of December, possession of 10+ will be illegal.

You'll never know all the stuff you have been doing wrong until you have a wife to point it all out...

Probably by banning large capacity flash drives.

I tried offering it here a while back and had trouble even getting scrap price for it since some FM reman was mixed in (cant blame people). If you have guaranteed clean once fired brass then yeah that works.

Did not miss it, it was my birthday!

I closed on my home on 8/8/8. That's the last time i cared. Good catch tho.

If a "high capacity" magazine is a dangerous weapon, can we bring them to one of those illegal transfer gun "buy back" events? Suck up all the funds for mags and buy some milsurp rifles in the parking lot with the funds.

If you're going to answer "yes" to question 26, which you should do if it's true, you should also concurrently submit a letter from the doctor who treated you saying that you're fine now. If not available, see another one in the same profession who can review the file and do this. It's common, even for police officers, to have had such treatment and in their case (I'm told by a psychiatrist friend) it's handled the same way. SD

Lol WP22. No, it was just delicious and had to back for more!

Seriously. I ate almost half of it last night. Had a tummy ache afterwards. It was worth it.

So let’s see, if we don’t get the injunction, and you have 15 round magazines in your home you are is a felon but if you get caught bringing them to an FFL to get them converted, you are a felon and if you get caught bringing them across the state line to get rid of them you are a felon. Well, NJ is definately living up to it’s reputation for screwing its citizens again... -Jim

There's really no need to get a flu shot unless you are elderly, have a compromised immune system, or other such condition.

Unless the injunction is granted in full. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

The travel issue is because an already existing law forbids transporting (among other things) "hi cap mags" which is what the state now calls 11+. Typical ambiguous, confusing NJ bullshit so the legal eagles are suggesting dont transport.

Ahhh, I like that idea. Will she also bring me a beer and be wearing a bikini? Nice! I'm 20/20 for everything beyond my fingertips... ha... Hmmmm, age catching up with you? Losing the close up vision is the worst part as the calendar fast-forwards. Remember, they do make seeing eye dogs...

So is the 10 round limit in effect now? They are saying not to transport magazines over 10 so that would imply the law is in effect already not December.... or am I missing something... -Jim

Yep - my weekends should be opening up soon Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

We need to meet up and spend some ammo...

There are no leftovers dude... cus it’s awesome!

If you're saying that in a vain, misguided attempt to finally put an end to this thread... I think you have seriously underestimated his Pineapple Fever.

Until the fat lady sings, that was the correct decision.

Awwww....! It's so ROMANTIC. Congratulations! Pay no mind to Krdshrk's emojis (above). You've made a most excellent choice. Just give her a little time... she'll break you down and then re-build you into an even better man, correcting all your bad habits along the way. Doesn't that sound just WONDERFUL? Ahhh… romance!

Just a quick note- the hearing did in fact take place on the 16. I asked Ant (Gun For Hire) this AM on his site here and he's "hoping" for a judges reply maybe this week. I'm assuming ANJRPC is waiting for that decision before putting out a update , just my opinion on that.

This explains how @Ray Ray got preggars

Go one step further and make it a combo safe/panic room. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

They should try reading the Constitution.

That might be the only thing that happens. He'll grab one or two guys to use as "pawns" and make an example out of them to show, "see, we got the bad guys". That would be the extent of it. Anyone want to take a guess on how many 10+ round mags there are in the state right now? Anyone want to take a guess on how many casual gun owners in the state don't even know this new mag ban was signed into law? I bet that number would be over 75%, probably more. Exactly... Some posters here need to take the tin foil hat off, it's messing up their hair.

I absolutely believe the police know they have much more important things to do than go out of their way to look for 11+ round magazines. I also believe that Governor Gopher can't wait to hold a press conference, preferably at an elementary school, so he can stand behind a table full of 11+ round mags and brag about the success of his liberal agenda in getting these 'deadly weapons of war' off of the streets. And then it will suddenly become a priority for the police, at least until they have enough mags to fill the viewfinder of a News 12 TV camera.

Exactly.. Just wait until the black helicopters show up over your house and SWAT ropes out, kicks in your door, hits you with a Taser, while the National Guard circles and blocks your neighbor hood, and the local sheriff interrogates all your neighbors, all just to take all your 11 round mags..... That should make for front page news on the Star Ledger.

Been trying to get into light-weight builds. Maybe the July Aero kit wasn't the one I should have used, but eh, Murica.

Amen. I live in NJ and there not going anywhere My 15 round Mags stay with me. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Mine are sitting in the bottom of a box since I switched to 30 rounders