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" But in an act of mass defiance, New Jersey residents refuse to comply." Should say: But in an act of patriotism , New Jersey residents follow the United States Constitution.

Everything would be stopping me from the guns I wanted, if I were still in NJ. Machine guns, SBS, SBR, Suppressors, AR Pistols, and all. Oh, not to mention accessories like collapsible stocks, bayonet lugs, flash hinders, normal capacity mags, and all. But the NJ simple and easy process is okay for your duck gun and revolver. Go back to the 1A forum where people tolerate you Fuckhead.

@Greenday you apparently know nothing about the gun laws of those countries. Canada- no handguns with barrel less than 4.1", no handgun designed to shoot .25 or .32 ammo, no semi AK or FN FAL, no rifle with barrel less than 18". Everything is licensed and registered. UK- no handguns, no semi rifles. The UK Olympic shooting team has to leave the country to practice with handguns. At one time their handguns were stored in Switzerland. Don't know if they are still there. Australia- handguns only after 6 month club membership and must shoot a minimum number of matches to keep handgun. Sounds like more than one outright ban there. These are just a few of laws of those countries you claim don't have "strict gun control laws". Yes, their laws make NJ look like AZ compared to the countries you listed. Yes, you can't yell fire in a crowded theater. But you can make a speech or write an article advocating anything you want short of a violent overthrow of the government. I guess you forget all the ilk that has called for the death of Trump. Kathy Griffin displayed a severed Trump head. By your standard she should be in prison. She's not. Maybe we should have vetting for so called "comedians" so they don't offend anyone. I explained I'm not objecting to limiting gun ownership to some classes of people. The situation in many states is way too much though. What about the rest of the Bill of Rights? Shouldn't those involved in voting, self incrimination, cruel and unusual punishment be vetted to see if they "deserve it" as you say should be done for gun owners? There are amendments to the COTUS dealing with race. Please enlighten me on which amendment deals with sex. That is one I missed. America is about taking responsibility for your actions, good or bad. It's not about states protecting us from everything. It's about protecting the people from abuses by the state. That's what the Amendments to the COTUS are about. The 4A doesn't protect you from an illegal search by me. It protects you by one from the state. Get your facts straight.

Well, you might think that, but the 3rd circuit disagrees: "Finally, because retired law enforcement officers have training and experience that makes them different from ordinary citizens, the law’s exemption that permits them to possess magazines that can hold more than ten rounds does not violate the Fourteenth Amendment’s Equal Protection Clause." https://www2.ca3.uscourts.gov/opinarch/183170p.pdf Someday a LEO will explain this "training and experience" that a civilian who used (gasp) 15 round mags for years does not have. Of course, you could use that same reasoning to only allow motor vehicles to be driven by emergency services. Then again, I'm not sure the judge who wrote that opinion knows which end the bullet comes out of..

When Christie vetoed the 10 limit law he specifically called out the making of different classes of citizens. I can’t see it being constitutional. as @Lakota said, the legislature isn’t a bunch of rocket surgeons.... but I see this clerical error as a big erosion of their legitimacy.

not at all, no flaming as the double standard needs to stop. Cops are civilians, they are not parmilitary or a special class. They are public servants, civilians and citizens like the rest of us. There are great cops, bad cops and mediocre cops; just like every profession on the planet. I find it amazing that anyone would claim police should be exempt while the rest of us are not.

Correction, nobody that is LE is getting jammed up. A low hanging pee-on like a single mom, a hard working dad will get jammed up.

right there. Most don't want to acknowledge it but LE is a major part of the problem.

One of my two convert's got the P320 compact and the other a version of the Springfield XD both in 9mm.

One guy loved shooting my AR and said he wanted to get one but that was his first time ever. It will take time and another range trip or two. Another guy has had some job difficulties which he has resolved and I think we'll get him in 2019. He told me he wants to get a Sig P320 like mine so at least he has gotten to the point where he knows what he wants. The other one enjoyed the experience but probably wouldn't take the next step in getting his own. I make sure I explain to everyone I take shooting how important the 2A is so that even if they don't join the hobby they will understand it isn't the evil activity that many naive people think it is. I participated in a Boy Scout Sporting Clay's event this year for the first time and really enjoyed it. I am going encourage other scout dad's to give it a try and that might help get them involved once they see there are many different fun activities tied to the hobby.

When filling out the form for handgun purchase permits, I would always get to the part where they want 2 references and think to myself.. Am I applying for my constitutional right to bear a firearm like I’m applying for a friggin job.. Needing references for a constitutional right, what BS is this!!! If that’s the case make it ID & 2 references to vote!

Greenday is a clueless brainwashed liberal. I have family in British countries, it is near impossible to get a firearm and excessively expensive. He will will be the one crying when it comes to pass. I just switched to my 1911s to carry, it is nice being old, even nicer to plan ahead. Right now I can carry 8 different handguns, some are under 10 rounds.

If they made you turn them in the 5A would require the state to compensate you. If they did that, the state would have millions of "dangerous" over 10 Rd magazines they couldn't resell as that would be counter to their argument that they are "dangerous". NJ can use that money for more important purposes as paying lawyers to represent illegal aliens. NJ just says you can't own them in NJ. Replacing them with 10rd magazines? Modifying them for you? Once again it would cost them money. That's asking the state to take care of all your needs. Very socialist. I don't want the state involved in supplying my magazines as I don't want them involved with my guns. If you left it up to Trenton they would provide you with a 1 Rd magazine in a bolt action, no evil feature AR that has 5 safeties you have to disengage before you could shoot it. It would also include a timing mechanism so you could only shoot 1 Rd every 20 minutes. They'd still claim they are complying with the 2A.

Pics are not the best but I did a complete disassemble and clean.

I agree with this statement 100%..... They will not touch a gun case.....

that's nonsense

Unfortunately when it comes to the SCOTUS, the only Justice I have any faith in not being fearful of backlash on 2A cases is Clarence Thomas...

So on-duty LEO are just citizens and have no duty to act. Yet off-duty/retired LEO are a special class because they have training. Seems a conflict to me.

This might be a bit of a side bar to the topic, But what gets me is how "we" let liberals put us in defensive postures just by terminology. In the memo the term "large capacity" is used. A standard magazine (in this case) has the number of rounds that the manufacturer designed/provided with the firearm ie AR-15 20 is standard, Beretta 92 15 is standard, anything less is reduced capacity, NOT large just because its over 10! Just like the only AR-15 that is an assault weapon is a PD agency/Tax Stamp full-auto rifle. Maybe if we bit down like bull dogs on this simple issue and EVERY time liberals use these incorrect terms instead of letting it pass web shot up fireworks correcting them public opinion may not be so swayed?

For our emergency food supply, my preferred approach has been to stock up on canned food, instead of dried or freeze-dried food. As we eat some of it we replace it with newer cans of the same. The reason is because most canned food, such as vegetables and fruit will last many years past their so-called expiration date listed on the can, since the metal is a better container for preserving their contents than either plastic or cellophane. Also, the canned vegetables and fruit are packed in potable water which is another very important fact that many folks tend to overlook. Who knows what situation(s) may exist in a SHTF scenario and what condition our municipal water supply will be in. Therefore, the nourishment from both the canned food AND the water from the can, will have double benefits for our sustained longevity, (of course, until it is all gone.....) BTW, I also have sealed canned water, which will last longer, that is remain potable longer, than water in sealed plastic containers that will eventually leach some of their unhealthy plastic chemical compounds into the water after approximately two years or less.... AVB-AMG

Tell your friend to look away. Don’t get started. The sickness will start immediately and quickly progress. You will thank me later. On a more constructive note, get an RPR in 6.5 creedmoor with a vortex scope and start out there. If he loves it and wants to upgrade then he can sell that setup pretty quickly without too much invested. If he doesn’t like it then he could probably sell it pretty quickly. The more you like it, the more you want to learn about things like reloading, wind calls, and building good fundamental skills. Whether he gets a solid factory rifle like the RPR or a full custom rig from a reputable gunsmith I bet he wont be able to shoot the difference in the price spent in the beginning. The custom rig may feel better, have a nicer trigger and a smoother action. The accuracy difference may be less then 1/2” at 100 yards regardless. Is it worth the extra money ? Depends. Some guys will justify their choice either way. Both are just opinions. When I started out with this hobby I was fortunate enough to get two full custom rigs at attractive prices on the used market. People would rave about these rifles and how they were so worthy of the high price tags. I shot them both for about a year and I didnt do well with them. No magical one hole groups at 100 yards for me. Years later I realized that the rifles were perfect and it was me who sucked. In the beginning when you are learning, you will probably suck a bit. As long as your having fun then it doesn’t matter much but at some point learn about what your doing wrong and right and correct whats needed.

According to statistics I found using NYPD statistics for 2016, 1 out of 538 police officers fired their gun on duty. Statistics for defensive gun use by civilians average 1 in 97 based on 1,029,615 defensive gun uses per year based on 100,000,000 gun owners! Seems to me that all in all, civilians use guns legally for self defense 5 times more often than cops do on the job! Now I realize I am probably way off but I feel based on what I could find that normal people are in fact more likely to use a gun for defense than the police. So who needs the larger mag capacity?

how do people still not understand that laws exist to punish not prevent.. I will say it slowly.. criminals.. by simple definition.. are people that do NOT follow the law.. what is difficult about that to comprehend.. you can institute "universal background checks" you can even have "mental health screening" you can impose full registration you can require people to take safety classes.. and even with all that said.. someone bent on taking another human beings life is going to find a way to get a gun.. or use some other means.. the notion that an individual like that.. being stopped by any law is basically delusion.. people that wake up one morning and decide to shoot up a school.. people that sell heroin for a living.. people that commit violent home invasions.. THESE PEOPLE DO NOT THINK LIKE YOU.. they are outside the rules of society.. and thus the rules of society do not apply to them.. they don't care what the sentence is for stealing a gun.. or having a 100 round drum.. or a sawed off shotgun.. why is that so difficult to grasp... during the federal assault weapons ban.. one of the most strict times of gun law nationally.. we had columbine.. these kids went to school with guns and homemade explosives.. they bought the guns illegally... so ANY AND ALL LAWS were USELESS.. they wanted to kill.. so they got guns..

I love it when a plan comes together. btw myhat.... we are impatiently waiting for the pix. I mean, it's like, the weekend already dude.

I don’t besmirch our guys in blue. But.. that being said, we all deal with “ the public “ the legislature is pandering to the union. place blame where it is do... it ain’t on the troop

@Greenday Throughout history the only way socialism/communism/fascism/Nazism can be implemented is through the barrel of a gun. Without the control of the weapons and the people these "isms" all are doomed to fail. All three of the countries you mentioned have strict gun control.

Is there really a rash of former LEO being attacked by gang bangers they put away during their career? Why do they NEED HIGH capacity magazines?

Not en banc. You blame the cop? Or the 2 of 3 judges?

And if you die you vote Democrat.

Smith and Wesson 617 would get my vote all day. Its a veritable twin to your 686, carries 10 rounds and is a great little shooter.

Just found this new letter from NJSP. I don't agree with some things in it. Asses. https://www.njsp.org/firearms/pdf/FAQs_on_RLEO_LEOSA.pdf

lol this is NJ ... are you really questioning the logic behind what NJ does? Nothing in NJ is logical, its run by gophers and blind midgets (no offense to gophers and blind midgets ) You used to live here didnt you?, you should know better than that

Cuz pineys dont have teeth Sorry I couldn't resist. Lmfao

Here is good example of how prohibiting the private ownership of guns has contributed to the problems in Venezuela. Venezuelans drank the Kool Aid and felt they didn't need to protect themselves from their socialist government. Now they are paying for it. https://www.foxnews.com/world/venezuelans-regret-gun-prohibition-we-could-have-defended-ourselves Got that @Greenday? The problems in Venezuela were not caused by the US. They were caused by the people embracing socialism.

I do not disagree with you...... the politicians hate us and want to disarm the citizens of the PRNJ.

all it does create classes which can be successfully challenged.....

I am...need one with wear on it to match however. will pm you

Valid argument.. union

The ‘Estrogen Channel’.....thankfully my wife only watches it when I’m out of town.

with all due respect.. its already happening.. as you are slowly exposed to something painful in tiny increments.. it sucks.. but you endure it.. because its small relative to the giant picture.. but then suddenly you come to the realization that you have been slowly worn away.. for years.. decade.. and well at that point there is nothing left.. gun control is only a small piece.. but its significant because its a good illustration of the absurdity of our society.. we take a right... and we put stipulation after stipulation on to it.. in the name of "safety" in the name of the greater good.. when we all know killers.. gang bangers.. mass shooters.. they don't care about rule of law.. we know with complete certainty that only law abiding people follow law.. we know things like Columbine happened during the federal AWB... we know these rules that we accept have no reasonable merit.. especially when we consider they are in exchange for our freedom.. yet we swallow them.. we accept them.. because losing a third magazine capacity is not the end of the world.. after all people have jobs.. bills.. families.. they don't want to be put in jail.. so they comply.. or they hide.. whatever.. but the rules don't stop.. the irony is we are screwed no matter what the outcome.. magazine reduction to 10 rounds.. violent crime increases.. "its not enough we need more limits" violent crime decreases "look it worked we need more limits" no matter what the outcome.. the people bent on fundamentally changing the place that you call home will continue... they will grind and wear away at everything.. until there is nothing left.. this is not panic.. paranoia.. anything like that.. it is simple logic.. there is a serious rift in our nation.. where a good chunk of people do not want it to be America anymore.. at least the America we know... and if you think those people will get tired.. or back down.. you are mistaken.. my grandmother used to say "I am glad I am going out of this world".. the older I get.. the more I look around.. the more I understand what she meant.. people are really screwed up..

I've been through that era. Problem was the people screaming for the 18 year old vote in the 60's and 70's were mostly people trying to figure out how to dodge the draft.

I’m convinced that you’re almost as smart as people say you think you are

I think just by switching a few words around, we're back to "are they going to kick my door in?". Nobody is flying to Nome to arrest my Uncle Tanoose for mailing me a 30 rounder. If the mailing can even be proved. Ted Kazinski (sic) blew people to smitherines and only got caught because his brother turned him in. We need an over thinking button too.

and they just sent me 15 off of next purchase for being a loyal customer!!!!! going shopping

At least our last governor pardoned several folks who broke the law unintentionally, I dont think this will be the case for the new one, i believe they are aching to make an example of some poor working guy who is not up to speed and gets jacked up

True! The state did nothing to try to inform the residents of the new law. They could have easily sent out a notice to anyone with a NJFID! Sure, that would not help those who never purchased a gun here and just moved here with them, but relying on word of mouth or the MSM getting the word out is just irresponsible!

Here's a great comment posted at that link that really sums it up: ...."Here is the exact example of government turning its citizens into criminals just by passing laws that on one day you are not a criminal and the next you are, and the only thing you did was get up take a shower, go to work to support you and your family, like you do every day, but now through one political parties goals of disarming its citizens today you get up take a shower, go to work to support you and your family but at the end of your work day through political legislation you are now a criminal, not just a criminal but a felon. Please explain to me how is it we have a political system that can make criminals out of normal everyday citizens because they want to. This should be illegal to be able to do altogether. "

This @Teky0101, I would suggest NOT "upgrading" to the stock you linked. The Magpul or Hogue stocks are the best upgrades to any Mossberg shotgun. BUT, to each his own.

It’s real news. The Prosecutors Office isn’t making this decision. This is what the new law says. They are informing the LEOs in their county how the new law affects them and what they can and can not do so they avoid getting themselves jammed up. Retired cops are limited to 15. Off duty currently sworn are limited to 10.

Like it really matters anyway. When is the last time you heard a cop getting arrested for having LCM's?