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Welcome to the forum. If this happened in 1990, then what actually happened is known, and probably of more use than the speculation from the forum members that is to follow. :-)

I decided a long time ago that I will NEVER again live anywhere that a Homeowners Association exists. I don't know if membership on an HOA board naturally attracts the fascists, or if otherwise reasonable people quickly become tin pot dictators when given the paltry power that should come with being on the board, but living in some/many communities with a HOA is a little like what I'd imagine living in North Korea is like, minus the possibility of being publicly executed by Dear Leader. A few things I've experienced or heard recounted by neighbors when I lived in the condo complex: Put up a screen door: Fine levied Plant a couple of flowers: Fine levied Hang a towel to dry on an upper floor balcony where it can be seen if you walk far enough out into the common area: First warning, threat of fine if repeated Open your car hood in the parking area (attempting to check oil, but the neighborhood enforcer pounced immediately): First warning for performing automotive repairs in the parking lot, threat of fine if repeated. Attempt to hook up a 12 v compressor to inflate a low tire: same response as above Ban imposed on parking any vehicle with writing on it...with a week's notice, they banned everyone who drove a work vehicle that was in any way labeled as such, everything from a drywall contractor's panel van to a Merry Maid's Corolla. So yeah, be aware. And be wary.

It's not in the rule book, but at my matches new shooters are required to not wear a concealment garment. I need to see what they are doing and a concealment garment isn't doing it's job if I can see. If we have a no-light/low-light stage new shooters have to have the lights on...for the same reason.

I joined IDPA before I shot my first of three () matches at Somerset. They sent a nice DVD with explanations of rules and terms and visuals on stages. I was really glad I watched that before I went, because I was at least familiar with the terminology so I didn't have to waste time asking 'what does tactical sequence mean' and the rest. I don't know if they still send that. But I searched on 'explaining IDPA' on YouTube, and there's a number of videos that seem to do the same thing. I recommend any new IDPA shooter watch them before going to a match. And, everything in this thread that discussed IDPA hospitality towards new shooters is true. So no one should be embarrassed about going their first time. Take your time the first time out and concentrate on safety first, not speed.

The Snozzberries taste like... boiled meat

This is a great write up and fantastic photos.... https://www.npr.org/sections/pictureshow/2019/06/06/730233605/ready-go-i-jumped-out-of-a-vintage-wwii-plane-for-d-day?utm_medium=social&utm_term=nprnews&utm_campaign=npr&utm_source=facebook.com&fbclid=IwAR3_komQ0gP4XK8CwgRkMAakjwSxzEHoEoKHvR04pxVY8IaPPDFB84HGp8E

I recently had an acquaintence express an interest in gun games. In addition to directing them to the respective organizations website and to search You Tube, I put together the following... Practical Gun Games: USPSA & IDPA USPSA = United States Practical Shooting Association IDPA = International Defensive Pistol Association Practical gun games is used in the sense that we may actually use some of the lessons learned from these games should we ever face a lethal encounter in the real world. Please be aware, these are games and as such in no way represent the stress you would be under, or the circumstances of a real world encounter. What these games will do for you is: Ø Familiarize you with the draw and presentation Ø Familiarize you with your gun Ø Teach you how to clear malfunctions Ø Teach you how to shoot while on the move Ø Teach you various tactical aspects of target selection Ø Familiarize you with reloading on the clock Ø Teach you the importance of accuracy and speed Ø Make you a better shooter The title reflects the two disciplines most often encountered. USPSA (the United States branch of the IPSC – International Practical Shooting Confederation) and IDPA. IPSC/USPSA came first (in the mid to late 70’s) and has evolved into today’s sport. In the beginning it was most often contested using 1911 semi-automatics chambered in .45 ACP. The 9 mm was also used, but was scored at a disadvantage. There were power factors established, calculated by multiplying the bullet weight by the velocity and dividing by 1000. Major power factor ≥ 165, while minor was ≥ 125 but < 165. Throughout the 80’s the face of IPSC/USPSA changed with the firearms used becoming very specialized, using compensators (to reduce recoil) and using smaller calibers to increase a gun’s capacity. Often these smaller calibers were “hot-rodded” so they could make major power factor. There were classes added to accommodate these changes, but the game got further away from the practical aspects and leaned much more toward the gaming aspects. That evolution has led to the creation of the following divisions in USPSA for competition: Ø Production – The gun is used, pretty much, as produced. Must be approved for the production class. Production is scored as “minor” regardless of caliber used, and restricted to 10+1 rounds. Ø Limited – A number of modifications are allowed, but the bias is still toward a stock firearm. There are no capacity restrictions, there are size restrictions (there is a box in which the firearm, with the magazine inserted has to fit), and it is scored as major or minor depending on caliber/power factor Ø Limited 10 – As above, but with a 10+1 capacity restriction Ø Single Stack – Created basically to accommodate the 1911 pistol, but any single stack magazine gun can be used. Major caliber is restricted to 8+1 capacity, while minor is allowed 10+1. Ø Open – Pretty much anything goes. This is where we find the “race guns” that took this discipline out of the realm of the practical. Optical sights, huge magazine capacities and all manner of modifications to the gun itself, as well as very specialized ancillary equipment. Ø Revolver – This class used to be restricted to six rounds – the gun could be chambered to hold more, but a reload was mandatory after 6 rounds were fired. As of 02/01/2014 the division was opened up to include eight round revolvers. Eight round guns are scored minor regardless of power factor (must equal or exceed minimum power factor of 125). No barrel length restriction. This led a number well known shooters and gunsmiths to invent, what they felt, was a more practical game that more accurately reflected what may happen in real life. The IDPA was founded in 1996. Some of the fundamental differences were that the firearm used had to be basically stock. The only modifications allowed were those that you might actually make to a gun you would carry for self-defense. Likewise the equipment used would have to be practical for all-day carry. Holsters had to be mounted on the belt that is threaded through the belt-loops of your pants (USPSA allows an over/under belt configuration in all classes) and holsters and magazine carriers had to be no further forward on your belt than the points of your hips, and you must wear a concealing garment that allows you to stand with arms outstretched without revealing your firearm or ammo. Like USPSA there were divisions established to level the playing field. They are: Ø SSP (Stock Service Pistol) – Very few modifications are allowed. This division encompasses most traditional DA/SA semi-autos and DAO as well as any “safe-action” pistols where the striker is only partially cocked upon the cycling of the slide – this would include guns like the Glock and the S&W M&P. As of 10/01/2013 Springfield XD, Walther PPQ and other pistols that fully cock the striker on the cycling of the slide will also be allowed to compete in SSP. SSP is scored minor, regardless of caliber. You must make minor power factor. 10+1 capacity restriction. Ø ESP (Enhanced Service Pistol) – A few additional modifications to the gun are allowed. This division encompasses all SA pistols and is also scored minor, regardless of caliber. You must make minor power factor. Capacity is restricted to 10+1. NOTE: there are weight restrictions in both SSP & ESP divisions. Ø CDP (Custom Defensive Pistol) – This division was created basically for the 1911 pistol chambered in .45 ACP, although other guns chambered for .45 ACP may compete. You must make major power factor and capacity is restricted to 8+1. Ø CCP (Compact Carry Pistol) – this division was created with the 03/01/2015 rule changes. Pistol must fit in a reduced dimension box and have a maximum capacity of 8+1. Scored minor with the minimum caliber to be 9x19mm. Ø REV (The creation of one revolver division with two subdivisions was a result of the 03/01/2015 rule changes)– Subdivision SSR (Stock Service Revolver) – Pretty much as indicated by the name of the subdivision. Restricted to loading six rounds at a time (7 or 8 shot revolvers may be used, but only six rounds at a time may be loaded). Loading to be accomplished singly or by a speed loader. Maximum 4.2” barrel length. This division has a power factor of 105. Subdivision ESR (Enhanced Service Revolver) –Again, restricted to six rounds loaded, but loading can be accomplished using moon clips. Maximum 4.2” barrel length. This division was created to accommodate the S&W 625 revolver, but any revolver that can make the power factor may compete. Power factor for this subdivision is 155. Ø BUG (Back-up Gun) – Also the result of the 03/01/2015 rule changes – Again there are two subdivisions within the BUG Division. BUG-S is for semi-automatics of .380 caliber or larger. Barrel length of no more than 3.6” and a division capacity of 5+1 rounds with 6 rounds in each additional magazine. BUG-R is forrevolvers and all equipment rules for the SSR sub-division apply. Maximum barrel length is 3” and minimum caliber is .38 Special. There is a reduced dimension box into which BUG firearms must fit. In both disciplines, there are classes, within each division, based on the shooters ability. This is so you are competing against people with similar skill sets. In USPSA these go from D (the lowest) through C, B, A and then Master and Grand Master. In IDPA they use the more familiar Novice, Marksman, Sharpshooter, Expert, and Master. You shoot as “Unclassified” until you shoot enough matches with classifier stages (USPSA), or participate in a Classifier match (IDPA and USPSA) to be awarded a rating. Equipment varies according to the discipline and division. IDPA is pretty straight forward across all divisions and is outlined as above. Only thing I’ll add is that there are restrictions on holsters and mag/speedloader/moon clip carriers. Primary among these is that the holster must cover the trigger. The same is true for USPSA, but in the two Limited divisions, Revolver and Open, very specialized holsters can be used. These are skeletonized and adjustable in a myriad of ways. These holsters and the accompanying mag holders may be placed anywhere on the competitor’s belt. In Production and Single Stack the holster a mag carriers must be behind the point of the hip. As a new competitor, it is less costly to shoot IDPA. There is less equipment required, and the stages are shorter (fewer rounds fired) than in USPSA. For the basic comparison we’ll only deal with Production (USPSA) vs. SSP (IDPA). The holster is a given, but the number of magazines needed differs considerably. IDPA restricts the shooter to two magazines on the belt when the buzzer sounds (some smaller capacity guns may be allowed more magazines, but it is rare that someone would compete with such a firearm). Therefore, you only need three magazines (two on the belt, one in the gun) to compete in IDPA. Stages in IDPA are restricted to no more than 18 rounds total. Contrast that with USPSA which may have up to 32 rounds per stage, which means most competitors carry a minimum of four additional magazines on their belt, making the total needed five. The need for the additional ammo in both disciplines has to do with the rules governing scoring and reloading. In both disciplines some stages may allow you to shoot extra rounds at targets to make up for misses or just as “insurance” – the number of hits required on a target is specified and only the best hits, up to the number specified, are counted. On some courses of fire the exact number of rounds to be fired is specified. You are penalized for any additional hits over the specified number and they delete the extra shots starting with the best shots first. On some courses of fire, it may be advantageous to reload prior to the gun being empty, so a magazine with rounds remaining may be removed from the gun in order to have a full magazine for the next element in the course of fire. This is more common in USPSA than in IDPA because there are no restrictions on how many magazines you carry and when and where you can reload (change magazines) in USPSA. In IDPA, as previously specified, you can only carry two spares and you are penalized if you do not retain a magazine that still has rounds in it (reload with retention or Tactical reload), or if the gun is not at slide-lock (empty). The only time you can “drop” a magazine in IDPA is when the mag is empty and the gun is “dry” (slide locked back) referred to as an emergency reload. You must only reload behind cover, if available – some stages (standards) are shot entirely in the open. If cover is available and you are in the open when your gun goes dry, you may initiate a reload while moving to cover. You cannot re-engage targets until you are behind cover and you are penalized if you present yourself with an empty gun to a target that has not been neutralized. Stages (courses of fire) in either game may consist of a number of elements, including, but not limited to, paper targets and “no-shoot” or “non-threat” targets (used to partially obscure hostile targets), steel in various configurations that must be knocked down to score. Targets that pop-up, swing out or otherwise move, usually activated by shooting something or manually activating it just prior to shooting, are also used. Various hard cover and props to simulate things like doors, windows, cars, barriers etc. are used. Because of the higher round count available, stages for USPSA may contain a larger number of these elements. The Match Director or Range Safety Officer will read a description of the course of fire. USPSA allows you to walk the stage prior to shooting. This allows you to check out the best vantage points for shooting, calculating where it may be best to reload and your general movement, or lack thereof, throughout the stage. IDPA allows five minutes at the beginning of any stage to examine it, but still eschews “air gunning”. It is advantageous not to be at the top of the shooting order. USPSA is more of a Run-n-Gun type of game. You determine in what order you want to shoot the targets, when to reload and any movement you make during the course of fire. IDPA is more a thinking man’s game because there are more rules that govern how you shoot a course of fire – things like “Tactical Order” or “Tactical Priority” that dictate which targets must be shot first, based on the position of the target relative to the shooter. Movement is dictated and you may be penalized for not shooting on the move. Likewise you are penalized if you do not shoot from behind cover when it is available. There is just more to think about with IDPA. Scoring in USPSA uses the target points garnered from hits (points differ for major & minor for all but “A” hits) and the time taken to shoot the course of fire. Points scored are divided by your time to arrive at a hit factor. The best hit factor is assigned a value of 100% and all scores are then expressed as a percentage of that best score. If your hit factor was half of what the best shooter’s was, your score is 50%. In IDPA it is all expressed as time. The lowest time wins. There are negative target points scored and each target point equals .5 seconds which is added to your raw time. Misses are 5 points, procedural errors add 3 seconds, hits on a non-threat target adds 5 seconds, and a “Failures to Neutralize” also adds 5 seconds (you must have at least one shot in the -1 point or 0 point area to neutralize a target. Even though you may have hit the target the required number of times – if there is not at least one hit in the 0 or -1 area, the target is not neutralized). Negative target points are added up, halved and that amount of time plus any penalties are added to your raw (actual) time for your final score. This is by no means comprehensive. To gain a better understanding of the rules, equipment and courses of fire, I encourage you to read the rule books of both disciplines (available on-line at the organizations respective websites). I often hear of people wanting to attend a match to observe, before they actually participate. This is understandable, but by and large, the majority of people that choose this route, express regret at not participating right from the beginning. All of the clubs where I have competed have been extremely friendly and very accommodating of new shooters. There is usually a new shooters briefing before every match that is required. In IDPA, you are not required to wear a cover garment for your initial match. Both disciplines allow participation in one match before requiring that you join the sanctioning body. No club that I have been to requires membership at that club to participate – match fees may be reduced for club members, however. Both organizations cost $40 for an annual membership. USPSA has a little better deal here. If you join at a match, you pay your $40 and shoot the match for free. Match fees for USPSA generally run $20 per match, with IDPA matches usually a bit less at $10 or $15. Major matches may run as much as $100 and are usually held over several days. Welcome to the world of Practical Shooting. Once you participate in your first match, you will never want to stand in just one place and shoot at a stationery target again. Have fun. Be safe.

My FFL has heard nothing about any shortage of permits.

Stu is good people and a good shooter.

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It’s why the socialists point to them. They can make more things work but only because they are so supported by us. And they’re going broke too boot.

@GRIZ: Yes... That is correct. The first American automobile that was driven by an American team to win Le Mans was back in 1921, by the team of Jimmy Murphy and Ernie Olsen driving a Duesenberg 183 Grand Prix race car. The Duesenberg brothers sent four (4), 183 cubic-inch cars equipped with four-wheel brakes, a unique feature for any race car at the time, to France to compete in the first post-war French Grand Prix Race on the roads of Le Mans. Three cars were driven primarily by Jimmy Murphy (the overall winner), Joe Boyer, and Albert Guyot. Back in April, I visited and toured the Simeone Foundation Automotive Museum. If you like sports cars, specifically race cars with special provenance, don't miss this hidden gem of a recently opened museum, that I had previously been unaware existed in Philadelphia, PA. The museum's collection consists of approximately 65 racing sports cars that has been assembled over more than 50 years by Dr. Frederick A. Simeone, a retired neurosurgeon and native of Philadelphia. In his collection is 1 of the 3 Duesenberg 183 Grand Prix race cars built, that competed in that 1921 Le Mans race and also raced and finished 2nd in the 1922 Indianapolis 500. Dr. Simeone found this car at a used-car lot in Kensington, Philadelphia. Here is a photo of that car that I took at his museum. AVB-AMG

My magazine came in the mail today. I think the New Jersey bureaucracy will eventually block sales like this because they think it will stop gang violence in Trenton, but it hasnt happened yet.

@GRIZ: Also, take a close look at the little checkered flag decal affixed to the front fender of the GT40. It is a little dig at the Ferrari logo of the prancing horse. Ford put an arrow through it to signify their goal of winning Le Mans and beating Ferrari..... AVB-AMG

@GRIZ; You may or may not be aware of this little fun fact tidbit. Dan Gurney was a tall man, just over 6ft. tall. The Ford Mk IV GT40 had very limited headroom. So the engineers on the Ford race crew cut a hole in the roof of his GT4O to give Gurney some additional headroom and then riveted a shallow domed cap over the hole, that Dan Gurney referred to at "the bubble". Here is s photo of the GT40 J-Chassis, that Dan Gurney drove at Le Mans, along with A.J. Foyt, showing that minor roof modification. The car has been restored and is currently on display at the Henry Ford museum in Dearborn, Michigan: I have seen a number of Ford GT40's with historical race provenance at a number of car shows and museums that I have attended and/or visited. The Ford GT40 pictured below is currently owned by Miles Collier and is part of his magnificent automobile collection at the Revs Institute in Naples, FL. My wife and I visited and toured the R.I. back in March. In mid-June 1967, this Ford Mk II-B GT40, which had started life as No. P/1031, a 7-liter Mk II GT40 built at Ford Advanced Vehicles in Slough, England, mysteriously changed identity and became No. P/1047. “There were a lot of shenanigans with the GT40s,” recalls a Ford insider. “At the start of each season a large bond had to be deposited to ensure its appearance on the start line. In the event of an accident that made it impossible to repair a car before it was due to race again, it was less expensive to switch chassis plates with another car than forfeit the money that had been deposited…” That is what seems to have happened to this GT40, which had already completed a grueling season’s racing in 1966 before being uprated to 1967 Mk II-B specification, with its 427 cubic inch V8 engine modified to deliver greater power, reliability and durability with a “dry-deck” cylinder block and a new induction system. For the 1967 Le Mans 24-hour race, Ford, who was very anxious to repeat its sensational 1-2-3 victory of 1966, entered a six-car team. There were two Mk II-B GT40’s, (this car), which ran as No. 57, painted light blue, and No. 1047, which was painted gold and ran as No. 5 – and four of the new lighter and more aerodynamic Mk IV “J-cars” with bonded aluminum honeycomb frames. Additionally Ford-France entered a third Mk II-B (No. 1015), while JW Engineering, which had taken over the FAV operation in Slough at the beginning of 1967, ran a 289 cubic inch GT40 and two 305 cubic inch Ford-powered Mirage sports prototypes. This car retired after 18 hours with a seized engine. GT40 No. 1047 had already crashed and would not race again that year. After a hasty rebuild by Holman & Moody in Charlotte, North Carolina, this car, now fitted with the chassis plate of No. 1047, returned to France and won the 12 Hours at Reims just two weeks after Le Mans. It was the last Mk II – and the only Mk II-B – to win a race. AVB-AMG

If you decide to come to a Somerset match I can certainly enter you in the scoring system under a pseudonym, but as Match Director I would need to know your real name. You can shoot 3 IDPA matches without joining IDPA but would need to join the organisation to shoot your fourth. They are completely online and other members would be able to see your name in the members section after they log in to the IDPA website.

Start your own thread on spaghetti o’s you dining delinquent!

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It's ......The Rib Nazi!

No ribs for you!

Think his mommy will let him out of the basement?

Bring your best “bbq ribs”, Zeke!

If anybody should be sitting in jail it should be that low life bum Cuomo!

Sure it does. It follows the Irish tradition of boiling everything into a slurry and then straining out the chunks.

In the event that AR15.com was going to be bought, having Brownells be the one to do it feels like the best case scenario.

BBQ Intervention. ok...now i'm moist.

Is that like fully semi-automatic?

YOU ARE 100% CORRECT. Ribs need a bite....

Just get a half dozen large breed dogs and hook the team up to a wagon.

Range is always an issue with Electric, specially after a few years. Also, I don't think people understand how prevalent carts are in The Villages. Carts have their own lanes on the roads, their own pumps at gas stations, their own parking at restaurants, etc. It's the preferred method of travel inside The Villages. The Villages is pretty big at 32 Square Miles. You can live out the remainder of your days there and never leave and many people do just that. lol. Just don't get an STD which apparently is running rampant through the oldsters.

American soldiers, sailors, and airmen - along with our British and Canadian partners - took the first steps to save the world. Remember them.

I think it depends... If your Neighbors are liberals get a gas powered one with an insanely loud muffler

Misplace permits in a warehouse somewhere, stop printing new permits, blame it on an unnamed vendor and BINGO! Totalitarian handgun control. Clever that Murphy.

Or the dealer could call NICS for free and bypass the NJSP $15 shakedown, and those troopers could do something that isn't redundant and unnecessary. I'm pretty sure we already pay tax on firearms to fund NICS.

See this is how I know you are a plant, willing or not. Has ANY surtax on ANYTHING actually gone to fix the thing it was supposed to fix? NJ Lottery? Casino gambling? NJ Income tax? Tolls for the roads? Ciggy taxes? Not in NJ! what may actually come of it, will be put into the 'general fund' and used for bringing in more illegal aliens, giveaways to connected people, etc. You are plainly trying to shill up this idea to make the tax look not so bad. Go back to your Soros-masters and report their tricks don't work anymore on people that can think without the brainwashing of the media

so what exactly is it that you get high on to come up with this idea? 1. The state does not have enough money to pay the pensions of those who have already retired. The state government does not need to continue to increase its manpower, especially in the 2A rights infringement department. 2. They won't collect enough in taxes from this to cover the salaries of additional employees, health insurance coverage for those workers and their families and the training and equipment for those new positions. 3. Even if they did collect enough in taxes to add new state employees, the democrats would NEVER add them with the sole purpose of employment to be to speed up FID and NICS checks. You really propose that this state, which perpetually attempts to punish those who seek to exercise their 2A rights, would actually hire more people with the specific purpose of helping the 2A community? It's a miracle they just started using an electronic process to get a pistol purchase permit. If they were able to collect enough taxes off of this to justify new employees, I bet my left leg they would be allocated to some other department or some other purpose long before they use them toward anything remotely associated with improving the conditions of the 2A community. This state would take that money and give it to illegal immigrants as an incentive for moving here long before they decide to do something that would intentionally allow us to benefit from it.

You have to realize that gun control is what you do instead of something. When politicians are polling poorly, or getting hammered on whatever in the news, that's when they go for gun control. Nobody is too happy with Murphy, so that's why he goes gun control. Positive press.

That's your Blue Team's Liberal Logic at work. ... and you still vote Democrat, so sad...

Very few decisions are made on petitions at first conference. Most petitions are relisted several times. As an example, the Indiana abortion case was relisted 15 times before today's per curiam decision. The most likely result is it will be relisted for conference next week.

Bob, NICE JOB! Mods ought to make this into a sticky! Dave

Welcome! I too miss the 90’s. Btw try the ribs and meatloaf! It’s delicious.

Hmmm....

5 pages of garbage.