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It might help. I think some schools already have such resources, so I'd be curious to know if it has proven useful. You know what would be really useful? Mental health services embedded in the Democratic National Committee!

As stated above, no legal requirement to keep them locked if no minors will have access, HOWEVER: Home burglaries are a huge source of guns that get used in crimes. A bolted down floor safe greatly reduces the chance that your firearm(s) will be stolen if your home is broken into.

B.S. - there is crappy ammo out there that won’t run well in any gun, *espcially* in rimfire calibers. The “rule” should be that you test the ammo that you plan to rely on before you have to rely on it.

There already are. It's called Intervention and referral services. I have no idea what other states look like but each NJ school has a program run by a certified counselor. https://www.state.nj.us/education/students/safety/behavior/irs/ The other part to this is, there is no sensible position... because we can create all the laws we want, but if the child or parents don't want to cooperate these services do nothing. AND unless the child violates school policy they cant remove him. My wife works in this field, and she is admitting and discharging kids into programs daily... You would be shocked at the volume a handful of mental health facilities deal with in both partial and inpatient programs.. she left one place because there were way too many kids flowing in and out.

It's worth reading the full study IMO. Interesting to see how many of these people telegraph their intentions in one way or another before the event. Though that provides potential opportunities to thwart them... in combination with all these new "red flag" laws, there's also the risk of over-reacting and over-punishing. That's a difficult needle to thread. In terms of schools, I also can't help but wonder if the Swiss were onto something... I read an article once that said after a particular bad shooting there, they started to embed psychologists right into the schools... where they would be on the lookout for kids showing signs of stress, and then pull them in for extra help and support. That makes a lot of sense to me. Yes, what these shooters do is HORRIFIC and I'm not trying to be an apologist for them by any means... that said, I don't think labeling them "monsters" and washing our hands of it is necessarily all that productive either. It seems like most of these folks have been under the duress of multiple stressors in the previous year leading up to the event. Especially in the case of adolescents, it does make you wonder... if someone had seen the signs of trouble, and stepped in with supportive, robust treatment... is it possible some of these young teens would have stabilized and gone on to live perfectly normal, well-adjusted lives?

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Summer is upon us... and already (oh, so heartbreakingly!) I just read about a young NJ boy who drowned in a lake. This is just far too common. And frequently, people in the vicinity of a drowning don't even realize a swimmer is in any distress. So, I'm refreshing this annual safety reminder from a couple years back on how to recognize the signs of drowning. Other people added lots of great info to this thread, but if you just don't want to scroll back through the whole thread, I urge you to at least re-read the original article, which I'm re-posting here: https://slate.com/technology/2013/06/rescuing-drowning-children-how-to-know-when-someone-is-in-trouble-in-the-water.html Learn the signs of drowning and keep your eyes wide open this summer... at the shore, lakes and pools.

This is a great article that abridges a much more indepth 30 page FBI study on the behavioral precursors of mass shooters. Even if your head is on a swivel, you need to know what to look for. READ THE 7 POINT OVERVIEW HERE ---> https://www.activeresponsetraining.net/active-killer-pre-attack-behavior?fbclid=IwAR27SEKXs25gyJ-Q2Eu6iNK2Txk4p8WukiHbS2XkW4Ixvrm09yv87kJYC98 READ THE FULL 30 PAGE (PDF) FBI STUDY HERE ---> https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/pre-attack-behaviors-of-active-shooters-in-us-2000-2013.pdf

If you dont turn your own wrenches then this is probably your best answer. Fyi JEEP stands for Just Empty Every Pocket

You don't have to have a definitive result for it to be a study and be presented as such. Sometimes "There is no one size fits all" answer and that's okay. We all knew this was a complicated issue. Sometimes it's bad parenting, sometimes it's just an entitled asshole who didn't get their way. Sometimes people just didn't report something. Sometimes there just wasn't help available. There's so many factors that it'd be more surprising if they had a definitive answer for what kind of person commits mass shootings.

good point but this ammo isn't for comp guns.

Well, one could opine this is what happens when you get way out of your lane. Credit for trying. But it just seems so many things were not well thought out. I'm sure they had input from the right people, did they take it? Insiders seem to indicate they did not. Thus it fell short...

How about some photos of rifles and handguns chambered for the same caliber? I'll start... Marlin 1894 chambered in .44 Mag/.44 Spl While I have any number of .44's to pair with this, I think my S&W Heritage Series 24-5 is most appropriate to go with a lever gun... Next we go modern with a 9 mm Ruger PCC.. While, again, I have more than a few 9 mm's, in keeping with the "modern" theme, here is my only piece of "tactical tupperware", a Steyr M9 A1... And finally, an interesting pairing. A Cooper 57M LVT in .17 HMR (1 of 40 made with a maple stock)... And my latest S&W acquisition, a Model 647, only made for two years... OK, let's see what you have. Adios, Pizza Bob

POST UP YOUR MM's

Me too!

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No cause required. NJ is an at will state. "New Jersey is an "employment-at-will" state. This means that an employer may generally terminate an employee at any time, for any reason, or no reason at all, unless an agreement exists that provides otherwise."

Shouldn’t you be salting your pig soup?

Well, sorry... but I think he sounds like a jackass in general. I mean, you go through a break-up... sure it hurts, but you just MOVE ON... like a damn adult. That kind of angry, fixated behavior where you go to great lengths to try to "damage" your ex professionally... what in the HELL is that? Normal people don't behave like that. That's FAR more alarming than any of the gun stuff IMO. Here's where I'm confused though... are these articles saying just the account was fake.... or were the pictures fake also? Because if she was willingly putting on an SS uniform, well... my sympathy for her would plummet, too, quite frankly. But, either way, he still sounds like an obsessive jerk, and I, for one, don't feel compelled to defend EVERY gun owner - certainly not the ones who run their lives like a train wreck.

Talent??!!! How much talent does it take to throw meat and sauce in a crockpot? An untrained monkey can do that. Oh, wait....yeah, that explains it.

NJ law is that you cannot allow a minor easy access to a loaded firearm. Therefore if a minor is in your house by your permission, you can leave the guns laying around if there is no ammo available. You can leave ammo around if the are no guns available. You cannot leave guns and ammo around at the same time.

This is bananas. A couple people in this thread know what they are talking about. Almost everyone else is trying to find loopholes in the loopholes based on conjecture, opinion, and personal wishes. BLUF: There are a couple of guiding documents from NJSP and ATF that are posted here in this very thread. They spell out how this whole thing works in our state and define what is, and is not, acceptable when dealing with this “Firearm”. It doesn’t matter if you agree with the guidance handed down from on high. It doesn’t matter what conclusion you reached “logically”. Currently, all that matters is these documents tell you what you can do to stay within the currently accepted guidelines of a specifically configured gun to be considered a “Firearm” and not a SBR, pistol, or AOW while remaining legal in the state of N.J. This is why we can’t have nice things. Also, remind me to never rob a bank with some of you guys.

It's a Jeep, once they hit 100K, they all turn to crap and need major repairs... Really?? Going from bad to worse... Get a Honda, you'll be happy you did!

agree, problem isn't the ammo it's the gun. if a gun won't run a wide range what you feed, move on to another one