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I am sure he is not - But stuff happens - and I am *NOT* out to make this a bash LEO thread, retired or active, not at all. I know many of both and they are gun guys through and through, as well as think our laws are bullshit. They know where the problems are and they are not the 99.9999% of "civilians" But to be so callous as to say frig him - the guy made a mistake in a victim less crime - that maybe could have been handled differently. I travel to VT all the time through NYS - 1/2 mile from my home all the way up to the Fairhaven VT entry - I travel with firearms, cased locked and in the trunk. But say I get stopped for a moving violation - and say there is a search and let's say some trooper or local town squadie wants to jam me up. Is it going to be " frig him too " This is how and why we lose - instead of rallying to the defense of others that have been jammed up needlessly, by the stupidity and quagmire of stupid laws state to state - we write *them* off as idiots and dolts...... shameful to say the least.

@USRifle30Cal It never ceases to amaze me the quality of 2nd Amendment interpretation here on this forum. Some want this guy to never see daylight again. Complete ASSHATS! You people wanna know why NJ is goin' down the shitter as far as gun laws are concerned? It's because with only a partial story & SOME facts you're willing to fill-in the rest all on your own and throw a fellow gun owner under Da Bus! Why? Because he might have a CCW & you don't? Because he was "careless" in leaving a gun case out to see? What exactly was his crime & who got hurt? I spoke to a Cop friend yesterday. A lll%er. NO way he would have jammed this guy up. He would have told him to go straight back to PA! Forums are a double-edged sword. Everybody thinks they're an expert and half the time they themselves don't know the exemptions! We're in the process of reaching out to this fellow's lawyer to see IF they want publicity or not. It's Monday, so let the Monday morning quarterbacking continue. I'm OUT! ~R

Good god, thank you for saying this! Our NJ gun laws are so bloody vague even NJ gun owners don't understand them... now we expect people in adjoining states to be experts, too? The sheer complexity of our laws.. the fact that we are "allowed" our guns based on staying within narrow exemptions... clearly shows that the laws weren't designed to protect the rights of ordinary citizens OR to prevent crime. Instead, they were designed to jam up ordinary gun owners for stupid, but honest mistakes - even those with zero criminal intent - and then throw them into a cell followed by a long, costly court battle... and we have seen that happening here, time and time again! Was Shaneen Allen a threat to anyone? Nope! Yeah, remember her? Thrown in a cell, lost her job, separated from her kids. That was an outrage. Was this a guy a threat? I'm guessing not! And yet he's facing a potential 28 years in prison. We've become a Gestapo state - let's not cheer that fact on (like spectators at the Roman Coliseum screaming for blood).

I am sorry if I am interpreting this wrong, but are you suggesting by this statement that I am somehow only supporting the knucklehead because he is an old white guy? If so you kinda in a round about way indicating I might be racist.... I could care less his race if he is exercising his Constitutional Right and having them infringed upon. We get it that the guy used poor judgement, but this can and could be a slap on the wrist and not what it is turning out to be. Any one of us could be next for some minor infraction....just sayin.

Deporkables.

Glad you enjoyed the outdoor range. You'll enjoy the indoor even though you can't use black powder, a scattergun or rifle calibers. Pistol caliber carbines (9, .40 & .45) are fine, and any .22LR platform. We have a SAFE TABLE. Holster draw is allowed. Don't practice above your skill level. Clean up after yourself, turn-off lights & ventilation system. D-Lead soap is provided. Restrooms are clean. Use the meeting room for an organized pizza party w/ members & guests (see guest policy) if you so desire or perhaps just a sammich by yourself, just clean-up after yourself. YOU are your own RO. Don't shoot the walls, floor or ceiling, as CCTV will capture it all. Run by members FOR members. Follow the rules, have fun & BE SAFE! Check the League calendar & pound on the door if there's cars in the parking lot. Bring eyes & ears, a sammich & coffee from Wawa just up the road. Ask to WATCH because you're considering joining. Learn thru osmosis. Enter into discussions. ASK questions. LEARN THINGS! Then show-up on the 2nd Sunday for the Sign-Up & Safety Check at 8:45am SHARP. Bring a checkbook or CASH (no cards accepted), a handgun of a caliber on the allowed list, a box of ammo, your mags, eyes & ears. It's literally THAT easy! Rosey

I like to imagine that every time the NJ 2A community got wind of a case like this one, or Shaneen Allen’s ,or the utility worker from down South (can’t remember the name at the moment), or Brian Aitken where there was an violation of “administrative” firearms law, with no accompanying “actual” crime or criminal intent, that there were protests outside the jail if they were held, protests at the prosecutor’s office if they continued to press charges, protests outside the courthouse if they went to trial... It’s a nice thought.

The mere fact that @Mrs. Peel is agreeing with sniper diminishes any credibility of her argument. yep, I said it

There is not enough information to make any calls. Preface that, though, with the fact that NJ is unjust. The laws broken don't fit the punishment. Was there room behind the seat for everything ? Was the observed case secured? Were the others secured? Is there in fact a place to shoot in Dingman's Ferry? Could he have driven in PA with said case on front seat? Perhaps he does all the time. How did he happen to leave that stuff in his car overnight? Pretty Obbvious he was singled out for PA plates. On the other side you would have to be all kinds of stupid to do what he did. Were the guns owned by him with a clear path? I would tend to agree with some on here that other than the fact that this probable poor schmuck most likely didn't need to be stopped and harassed the seemingly complete disreguard for the Reupublik's largely unconstitutional laws would have been a red flag. Any officer would need to act on this one and let it be sorted out later. However, since NJ is so unjust it should give all LEOs pause to consider this domino of events. Was he transporting guns for new ownership? Did he just pick them up, or just steal them? Was his job that of a bankrobber in NJ? Did he have any misdemeanors or other offenses, and what was his mental state? Was he bringing his daughter's contraband out of the Republik so that she wouldn't be in trouble? So, he had brought them in and was on his way out? The court (if it had any) should be able to use common sense and discretion. Keyword SHOULD, but then this state is just too unjust for that and has mandatory sentensing to put idiots behind bars instead of violent criminals. The fact that this guy was.released.pending trial would suggest he is just a dumb ass possibly with Alzheimers and truthfully not otherwise a threat and that his story checked out and that he was not considered dangerous, but rather caught up in this drag net and brilliant police work against seemingly nonviolent citizens. He should NOT be excused for his actions BUT justice and common sense SHOULD prevail and the punishment SHOULD fit the crime. However in NJ that isn't going to happen. Perhaps he was.a.disgruntled employee? Maybe he had tools, or the stuff just didn't fit behind his seat. Was he coming from his OWN business and consequently was he allowed to transport under an exemption. We don't know details. Maybe he was threatened. Maybe he had them with him because they weren't secure at his PA residence and on his person was the safest place. The BS charges on Mag limits and configuration are unjust on face value, just a way to trap citizens. Real criminals wouldn't have even been charged, and or plea-bargained down. Lots of details are left out, regardless, it is most certain he won't be treated justly in this Democrat-Run State.

Howdy Folks, My wife and I are PA residents, but my wife works for her family business in the Newark area. I really dislike that she has to go unarmed everyday to work. She carries all the time in PA and is well trained (always training), but sadly. NJ has some stupid laws when it comes to guns. I feel bad for you guys. Hoping things will turn around there soon! Heck, if there is a protest, within a couple hours from me, I would totally drive there to help! Anyway, One of the owners of the company (her family). Has been thinking about getting a shotgun (Mossberg 500 most likely), to have with them when they are working late some nights. I have a strange feeling this isn't legal. So thought I would ask on here before hiring a lawyer to find out. Also is it true that self defense isn't legal in NJ?

The indoor range is just that, a simple range open 24/7. There are 8, 25yd shooting lanes(IIRC). There are no automated target holders etc. You wait till a cease fire, if there are more than 1 shooter (often the range is yours alone) Set your target stands (you can set them closer than 25 yds, but targets need to be set at the proper height so that bullets hit the backstop), come back to the firing line and shoot till your hearts content. No, it does not have all the latest wiz bangs, but a 24/7 access, clean range, where you know the people around you are not a bunch of dopes that have no idea what safety is, is a great thing. I primarily use the outdoor range as IMO there is nothing like outdoor fresh air range. But when the hankering to shoot comes up, on a day with lousy weather the Indoor is the place to go, As an FYI the Indoor range is NOT rated for all handgun calibers and most rifles are a no go. A list of approved calibers at the Indoor range Here is a video from one of the indoor matches, Not mine.

In the true sense of the word, NO. We have “the duty to retreat”.

Legal. Place of business you own is one of the few places where you can keep a gun.

The indoor range is serviceable. It's nicer than the indoor portions of any other range I know of in NJ with an outdoor range. It's just not set up like a pay by the hour public range.

You can join us this weekend they are playing Villanova! And if I figure out where to tailgate and what's allowed I will have my typical feast available!

That thing is so cute!!! Love that slide!

I was thinking it had to do with the 2a cases that'll be in front of them soon.

"Masses are asses" In other words Tex, we're deplorables. #porkrolltruths

But it’s BATMAN!!! He has cool toys!! #nohopeforPeel

First of all..."Wrap", millennial word for gringo burrito. Secondly, please ask said establishment to show you the package from whenst this meat originated, and then ask them why they insist on false advertising and deceiving the public. For shame. #taylorsham. @Mrs. Peel I and the rest of NJGF know you as a wise, fair and level headed mod. Your failure to admit the truth while blindingly obvious to all of us loosens the weight your judgement and sageness holds over these humbled masses. Say it ain't so Peel...say it ain't so.

Keep in mind we are more self sufficient now when it comes to oil.

I MEAN REALLY LOOK AT THE SCRUBY DINK BACK THERE .

Fixed it for ya

What lawful purpose is there for a civilian to be in possession of a backseat full of cocaine? Because I can think of a dozen reasons for having legally owned firearms in your back seat. Your comparison is ridiculous. Where are the calls by libs....as they do for pot... to make situations like this, where someone with no intent to harm, should be issues a summons and not face any criminal penalty? Didn’t half the morons on the debate stage last night say they want all people in jail for non-violent crimes released? What a bunch of hypocrites.

Build guide? its an ar-15. 26" OAL, FVG, no stock.

You know my opinion...., build it anyway I think this is a good idea. I wish I was camera savvy. A fellow shot mine and I shot his which was one of the main offerings. He liked mine better.

He was wrong.......Does not make our laws right!

Oh no. The horror. Don't you know that you're taking a chance with a build as opposed to buying one for twice the price and the security it brings from the man?

I was there, and I WILL NEVER FORGET.....!!!!!!

Most of these non-NFA Firearms look as long as a standard rifle. Why not just build a 16" rifle with a short stock? Add your vertical grip if you want. This is not directed at anyone in particular.

Is it really any different than people building their own normal ARs instead of purchasing complete rifles from manufacturers? Its the same middle finger, just a bit shorter.

Who are you to say what laws should be enforced and which shouldn't? It's not a cop's job either to choose which laws have to be enforced. How do you know who is bringing guns into the state for criminal use or not? I wasn't aware there was a max age limit on committing crimes. Why is it the cop's fault that this idiot was too lazy to store his guns properly and not bring them into NJ? What PA gun owner that lives near the NJ border doesn't know that our laws suck? Should a cop pull someone over, find a backseat full of cocaine, and just let them go because they personally think drugs shouldn't be illegal? Wouldn't want to ruin some 70 year old's life over wanting to party?

He better pray for probation or pre-trial intervention. Ain't no way Murphy is going to pardon him. I'm not comfortable with cops turning a blind eye toward felonies that have 5 year mandatory punishments just because the laws are stupid.