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Not looking to argue at all just an observation ----- See this is the thing ------ When you use terms like that, 'YET'. That is what I cannot get over - there is always the push to incite, and sometimes imo, you are just as guilty of what you are accusing the media of doing, inciting a possible panic. Because I am fairly certain that no one this evening is going to be 'shot on site' and I am also pretty sure it is not going to happen tomorrow or next week either - but ya never know. The more pressing issue I think - it that you are a believer that this is quite possibly a hoax of some sort. While I think it has been blown out of proportion, you seem to think that it should be business as usual, and that does not seem to make sense to me. There is surely a public health event taking place, that has been turned into a major shit show, granted, but to ignore that there are more severe ramifications of doing nothing, than taking these extreme measures, cannot be understated. So, let's say there is a further 'lockdown' a la Italy, and let's say it is necessary, wouldn't this all be a small price to pay to saves lives and the nation as a whole? I would submit to you doing nothing has far more dire circumstances in pushing a people to a more dangerous outcome that what is being down now. Do I see a day where the NAT GUARD is going to be on the streets in certain areas? Yes, to assist police, and other emergency element to assist the nation in keeping people safe in so much as they can, not to mow them down. I am usually very pessimistic, but I see nothing but good things coming from all this once we get past this very very hard learned lesson. I see a resurgence in US manufacturing ! I see market forces brought to bear to Support that ! I see new opportunities in technology ! I see new opportunities in Health Care ! I see new opportunities in investment avenues to support the above ! I see that maybe *FINALLY* we can see the VALUE of our older generations and treat them with the respect they deserve in their later years, in lieu of being toss away humans !!! This is NOT the apocalypse, that would be a death rate of SARS/MERS at this level of transmissibility of this contagion - that would be apocalyptic - and stacking of bodies. Maybe just maybe this event, will be the impetus to finally get a vaccine in order to provide some protection for a future event.

If you have CV, then you are only six people away from killing Keven Bacon.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/14/health/coronavirus-asymptomatic-spread/index.html If you want to read about asymptomatic transmission, read that article. Children are most likely to have no symptoms. Interestingly enough, the people without symptoms were shedding more virus than the ones with symptoms. Social distancing is the only thing that works.

This is a pretty cool video of a log across a stream...

https://www.aha.org/statistics/fast-facts-us-hospitals Total Staffed Beds in All U.S. Hospitals 924,107 For the cheap seats: AHA guestimate on Coronoavirus hospital admissions: 4.8 Million AHA reported total staffed hospital beds in all U.S. Hospitals: 924,107 So maybe, just maybe, it makes sense to slow down the rate of admissions as much as possible?

Tell him to go the nearest gun show and use the famous gun show loophole or tell him to order one from Budds and have it shipped to his house. And then tell him to GFH.

I just dont get the whole "the world is ending" hyperbole... Not to sound insensitive.. Worse case scenario... a bunch of old people die and clog up the healthcare system for a little while. We can quarantine for a little while to help flatten out the infection curve.. but there needs to be a realistic appropriate approach here, 99.99% of americas will be just fine even if the virus spreads.

My personal belief at this point is that this started here in 2019 and went unnoticed and that the number of infections is significantly greater than believed today.

I'm telling you, we are fragmented and that hurts us. If all gun owners voted enmasse we'd be unstoppable

Why are we all fighting lol? I though this was a thread to share info about the Pandemic that others who have not been glued to a TV all day may have missed.

You are basically asking on a public forum if people are going to break the law... so don't expect many answers.

It was actually RTSP in Union. I tried again this morning and no go! I then called the PD again and politely asked to expedite the new card. An hour later, I got the card fixed! Even though I didn't need it apparently...

Yes not being allowed to have patrons at your business is being closed. You think a call in order or 6 equals a dining room filled with patrons are the same thing? You think people go to a restaurant to just eat? People go to socialize and not have to worry about prep or cleanup. Would you like a appetizer? Any desserts tonight? Can I get you another drink? Guess what all those do? Cha ching. Money in the register, that pays the bis So yeah, forcing the doors closed is shutting them down. You can get off your high horse now.

Did they or did they not pass the ordinance? Maybe you should read what you post before you post?

seriously, i plan on going shopping at 8pm tonight simply because this jackass told me i can't

Hmmm......just wait another week or so....CNN is blowing this out of sight, hair on fire, screaming.....they completely SUCK those liberal bastids....omo.

It would eliminate the attendant breathing in my window at the beginning and end of every transaction. Also, I can easily sanitize my hands after touching the pump. The attendant isn't doing the same after dealing with each of the 1000 snot covered, ass picked hands he comes in contact with. Plus, I'm sick of NJ refusing to allow me to have access to cheaper self-serve gas.

I think we are all getting a bit off track - no one is getting shot onsite - no one is being welded into their homes - etc. It appears to me that some of the above posts, now are trending towards some kind of minor panic - leave that for the sheep. No going out after 8pm - I am 53 and I am up at 430 every day - I haven't been *OUT* after 8pm in years....... LMFAO I am usually in my pre-bed nap phase at 730 after Jeopardy prior to bed....

It seems like this should finally be the incentive needed to allow us to have cheaper, self serve gas in NJ. There's no more useless social interaction than having to go through an intermediary, who is also handling cash and charge cards from hundreds of other people a day, just to put gas in your car.

Better get your take out completed by 8PM, otherwise you'll be shot on sight if you're on the roads. It's called Incrementalism... One by one, our liberties and freedoms are being taken away, in the name of "Social Distancing", or "Flattening the Curve". And the "sheep", since they were fed the panic, will just go along with it, because we have 100 cases of Covid in the state of 9,000,000 people...

They must have determined that the virus is nocturnal.

dealer should be named and shamed.

"The governors of New Jersey, New York and Connecticut, all Democrats, announced they would follow the CDC's guidelines and were critical of the Trump administration's response, saying it has fallen behind in its response to the fast-spreading virus. That means the three states' casinos, gyms, movie theaters, bars and restaurants would close at 8 p.m. Restaurants can only offer takeout services." I feel like ya need to take your own advice sometimes... read the whole artilce.

Go back to the dealer and tell them you dont have an FPID, because you dont need it to buy an handgun.

Makes sense actually. While ibuprofen seems like a good idea, the swelling is an important process of the immune system when dealing with an infection... it's not at all like an injury. Tylenol is just a painkiller and fever reducer, not an anti inflammatory. It's always been the go to med for flu with a fever. I havent seen the research on it, especially the flu, but there is a thought that a fever can reduce the severity and length of certain illness. It's a natural response to infection, and has evolved this way for a purpose. I just wouldn't let it got over 101 unchecked.

How about quarantining everyone over 65 and those younger with health risk factors? If those are the people primarily at risk, protect them. Steve Hilton asked the same question. Its a good question. Why are we shutting down the economies of every major country on earth when there appears to be a better way. The more people who are healthy that get this and become immune...spelled... v-a-c-c-i-n-a-t-e-d .... the fewer there will be to catch and transmit it next time. Or, we could just destroy the economy and commit 10s of millions of people to be wards of the state. or maybe thats the plan.

No. Arab market.

Well, the good thing is we’ll know in a few weeks if this was a nothingburger or real deal. The panic and intellectual masturbation is wearing me out.

Ha.... they can't even decide what to call mystery meat that comes in a round, cloth bag... or how to cook ribs.. you're really asking a lot!

Eventually all that data will be researched when this thing is done and dusted. We have to assume based on these studies that it is transmitting asymptomatically and act appropriately. That people under 20 aren't showing symptoms? Why? We will know ultimately, as of now though? We have to assume they are all little pig pens spewing trillions of virii in their wake and trading it with each other like baseball cards. My prediction is that next week, as in on the 23, they are going to shut this thing down. It's going to come with NO NOTICE. Remember that. They learned a lesson in Italy. The people in the zone in Italy knew it was coming and FLED. This spread it all over the place. They are going to roll in and shut it down. boom. done. I was wrong a few days on the school thing, so it may come this week. Be ready

Maybe it is for the best that the planet is finally rid of the scourge that humans have wrought upon it........

Bizarre?

I really wish they taught math better. Here’s why: The R0 of the flu is ~1.3. With that we got 36 million cases. It has a mortality rate of about 0.095% that we wind up with 22,000 dead. This is not a bad year for the flu. COVID-19 has an R0 between 2.2-3.2 based on estimates to date. We will go with a popular consensus number out there 2.3. Mortality rate has varied between 1.48% (places in China where social distancing, etc were put in place early, after Wuhan showed it was bad) and 5% (Italy). Wuhan, which was an example of belated intervention is rocking a rate of a bit above 4%. Let’s go ten rounds of infection. I just did this math manually but I’ll probably write a script to do better numbers. flu = 42.73 infected covid-19= 7328.50 infected So.... a whole season without intervention you aren’t talking 36 million cases. It’s way bigger. And then it isn’t 22,000 dead. It is a rate 12-40x greater of that much bigger number. it is epically bad. But that 1.48% I mentioned earlier was the result of preventive measures reducing that R0 number and by association allowing for better medical care.

I used to do animal control for Union NJ, I've seen the worst of the worst when it comes to pits. I've even been bitten by one. So I've seen that side of them too You are absolutely correct in the fact that people buy them for status symbols and those are the inexperienced owners that I was referring to, they are the ones that cause the dogs to act aggressively usually due to a lack of training. I'm no fan of breed restrictions but sometimes I wish that people had to pass a test in order to own certain breeds of dogs.

Just as a point of reference, to go with all the panic hoarding, here's the current stats of the seasonal Flu versus the Covid as of yesterday: As a comparison, the seasonal Flu WORLDWIDE: There are reported to be some 1 billion influenza infections worldwide each year, with up to 45 million cases in the U.S. per year, tens of thousands of U.S. deaths, and 291,000 to 646,000 deaths worldwide. In the USA: CDC estimates that so far this season there have been at least 36 million flu illnesses, 370,000 hospitalizations and 22,000 deaths from flu. Now, the current Covid WORLDWIDE: Coronavirus had infected 128,392 people globally and killed 4,728 as of Friday morning, The U.S. had over 1,701 confirmed coronavirus cases and 40 deaths. So, for some reason, people don't worry about the seasonal flu, yet are running with their hair on fire with the Covid?

An article about research on Influenza in Italy. Apparently, when if comes to virus issueS, they do not do well in Italy. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971219303285 Highlights • In the winter seasons from 2013/14 to 2016/17, an estimated average of 5,290,000 ILI cases occurred in Italy, corresponding to an incidence of 9%. • More than 68,000 deaths attributable to flu epidemics were estimated in the study period. • Italy showed a higher influenza attributable excess mortality compared to other European countries. especially in the elderly.

I agree with you man, we got to unite, hopefully these new gun owners that are getting into guns now will now cheerish their right and the next time some politician tells them they don't need their gun will be voted out. If this crisis teaches people one thing, and believe me their is plenty of lessons to learn from this, is that if it hits the fan, you are in charge of your own personal safety and defense and first responders may get their too late.

Who is they and what are they shutting down?

Something to note, yesterday I was at Dicks Sporting Goods in Union just looking around the camping section and I came across the gun counter. When I am there (I don't go usually because of their second amendment stance) I noticed some interesting details. All the 22lr rifles and bolt action rifles were still on the shelves but the shotguns and the lever action rifles like Marlins were in short supply. Any shotgun with an 18 to 21 inch barrel were off the shelves and I began to noticed the line developing at the gun counter. There was a young mother with her two children, a women in her late 40s, a man in his late 20s early 30s, an Asian man and a few other people, I would say there was about 8 people their. All looking to buy ammo such as 12 gauge buckshot and slugs, 5.56, and service handgun loads. The man in his late 20s was looking to buy a shotgun but couldn't buy one at dicks because their nics system was down or the sales associate that handles firearm sales was not around. I directed him to several different gun shops in the area and wished him on his way. The Asian man was looking to buy some shells for a recently purchased coach gun and stevens 320 and didn't know what types of shells to get. The sales associate their looked like a young kid and couldn't help him and I was able to help in getting defensive loads for his shotgun. He had to pay a premium for 12 gauge slugs since they didn't have any 12 gauge buckshot but I told him to try ordering online at various online retailers. They were out on 12 gauge buckshot, 556, and many of the service handgun loads The lesson I learned about my extersion at dicks is something we all know, 1: People are buying guns and ammo and 2: quite a few of those buyers are new into the firearms world and they may need some guidance. Sometimes wisdom is free.

Researchers need to dig into that further. It sounds like there is a decent evidence of it but they need to understand exactly how that is happening. Are they Pig Pen from Peanuts? Or is something else going on?

How do those parents deal with summer break? Deal with it the same way. There are children getting this disease on vent at 16, here's one(https://www.rtlnieuws.nl/nieuws/nederland/artikel/5056536/coronavirus-tieners-sehraz-breda-16-intensive-care-besmet-covid19 ) There are children showing no symptoms(https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/6/20-0301_article ) This is not in dispute. The youngest intubated person is a 16 Year old girl. If you want to shut down our economy, watch what happens when we start turning people away from hospitals because they are overrun. Any balance that allows free movement of people may as well be ignored totally. It will only delay the inevitable by hours or days. Regional lockdowns are coming. If you're not ready for that, make ready.

Yes, but these are projections based on confirmed test results which do not fully account for the real number of infections in the population. The reality is we just do not know for sure yet. But.... the world is acting like it does know for sure.

Ok... wait a minute. Italy averages 17,000 deaths per flu season due to the flu. These are their stats from 2014 to 2018. The research notes Italy has the highest mortality rate for flu in Europe. That’s an average of about ... 94 per day...... Higher in the peak times. Like.... now. Say... 180-200. Assuming flu season is 6 months. Versus 13 weeks as notes for some regions. Yet someone posted lengthy obituaries to point out the number of deaths from corona. So... do Italians not do obits for flu deaths?

Eh, I don't agree. Teachers will get paid either way (by contract). But what about all those hourly workers at school? What about parents who will have to stay home (and maybe lose their jobs) to take care of those kids? Will triggering a bunch of immediate needs and future bankruptcies actually stop this disease? There's also no evidence (yet), that children are even "super-carriers" of this virus, as they are with some others. Kids who live with elderly or immuno-compromised family members should join in the classroom through Skype. People need to get more flexible in their approach. "Shutting it all down" is too much, I think. This is not China (with great poverty and unhygienic open-air animal markets), nor is it Italy (with more social kissing/less social distance, higher rate smoking, a higher percentage of elderly population). All of those things factor into the track of the disease. From what we know about demographics, it's unlikely to hit as hard here.

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