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What the fuck is “too deadly”? In 2018, rifles were used in 374 killings. In the same year the following were responsible for: • Knives/Blades - 1604 deaths • Blunt Objects (hammer, bat, etc...) - 472 deaths • Hands/Fists/Feet - 656 deaths I don’t know about you, but I have never needed a permit for a hammer, a bat, any knife, or to take a Jiu Jitsu class. If they are responsible for so many more deaths, shouldn’t there be some restrictions on them, you know, for safety? Oh, maybe because guns can kill more people quickly at one time. Well the worst mass murder in US History ever was carried out with $1.50 in gasoline and a match. So, where’s the permits to fill’er up? Or the restrictions on how much gasoline you can buy in 30 days or at one time? The only accessory that makes a weapon “too deadly” is the gray matter found between your ears. People are evil. People kill. People are deadly and dangerous. An adjustable stock, a suppressor, a flash hider or removable magazine have no bearing whatsoever on “Deadliness”. You had the right word in your opinion that I quoted above - irresponsible. You just chose to ignore responsibility and focus on inanimate objects instead. How do you not see that THAT personal choice of irresponsibility is the deciding factor in the equation? What the fuck does this have to do with safety. I am assuming you are referring to an adjustable stock. I can buy 6 identical rifles and pin my stock at each of 6 positions and that’s totally OK. But if I have one rifle with an adjustable stock that stops at each of the exact same same 6 positions, that should be illegal? That makes zero sense. In 40-something other states you can have AR pistols with folding stocks. Do you see the streets running red with blood there? Because I sure don’t....

When did a flash suppressor help kill someone? When did a folding stock help kill someone? You're not on our side, you never were. But, God forbid one day in the future their gonna come for your 10 round magazines and pump shotgun, and your gonna say "But I comply!" Sorry, too late. I lost a lot of respect for you, I hope you either see the light or go away.

An Important Hebrew Lesson: Written across the wall of the cave were the following symbols: It was considered a unique find and the writings were said to be at least 3,000 years old! The piece of stone was removed, brought to the museum, and archaeologists from around the world came to study the ancient symbols. They held a huge meeting after months of conferences to discuss the meaning of the markings. The president of the society pointed to first drawing and said: "This is a woman. We can see these people held women in high esteem. You can also tell they were intelligent, as the next symbol is a donkey, so they were smart enough to have animals help them till the soil. The next drawing is a shovel, which means they had tools to help them. Even further proof of their high intelligence is the fish which means that during a famine, they seek food from the sea. The last symbol appears to be the Star of David which means they were evidently Hebrews." The audience applauded enthusiastically. Then an old Jewish man stood up in the back of the room and said: "Idiots... Hebrew is read from right to left... It says: 'Holy mackerel, dig the ass on that chick."

Not sure if this was posted before here it is anyway.

I got a couple pics

The law is pretty clear, and not what many expect for NJ. This from the jury instructions for using lethal force in self defense in your home. "A reasonable belief exists when a defendant, to protect himself/herself or a third person, was in his/her own dwelling at the time of the offense or was privileged to be thereon, and the encounter between the defendant and intruder(s) was/were sudden and unexpected, compelling the defendant to act instantly, and the defendant reasonably believed that the intruder would inflict personal injury upon the defendant or others in the dwelling, or the defendant demanded that the intruder(s) disarm, surrender or withdraw, and the intruder(s) refused to do so." This boils down to 3 possibilities: 1. You were suddenly jumped in your own home, or a home where you are an invited guest 2. You reasonably perceive a threat from the intruder (i.e. you have a reason to think they are there to hurt you - it can't be a guess - e.g. they were carrying a gun or a knife) in your own home, or a home where you are an invited guest. 3. You told them to disarm, surrender or leave and they didn't do as instructed in your own home, or a home where you are an invited guest. I have been recommended to read The Law of Self Defense: The Indispensable Guide to the Armed Citizen by Andrew Branca. I have just started it and it looks very informative so far. Also check to see when the next class by Mike Wolhfert on the topic will be - he has been doing his class online and is tailored to just NJ https://www.justifiableforcetraining.com/upcomingevents

MAGA Masks! Brilliant!

That is clearly a competing school of thought and a valid one as well - I tend to do both. Most folks think reloading is a waste of their time - in terms of cost to benefit - for me I disagree, because that is its own subculture of the shooting sports. When I cannot get out to shoot - if nothing else is going on - I reload or prep to do so. This past sunday was a raw crappy day - I spent a few hours in the shop prepping '06 cases and ran off about 400 rounds or so of 9mm in a couple of hours - radio, a cup of coffee and the repetitive nature of the task was actually quite relaxing. I would say that being a reloader does give you a slight edge over the GOV whims etc. and supply chain. Proper storage practices of both are paramount etc.

There you have it.

Lets bump up the bidding a little.............

Any chance of a bombing run over Trenton?

https://bit.ly/2Sh1GHw Judge steps in to oppose Northam and reopen indoor VA gun range. A Virginia judge has ruled that an indoor gun range shut down by Gov. Ralph Northam's (D) coronavirus executive order may immediate reopen. saying the governor overstepped with his mandate because state statute "specifically limits his authority in relation to the right to keep and bear arms."

But the OP asked about the p320c, its a whopping inch shorter than the standard... I know @Zeke needs every extra inch he can get...

I second The Law Of Self Defense! It's in the third edition. My companion book for that is Massad Ayoob; Deadly Force - Understanding Your Right To Self-Defense Ayoob discusses a number of trials including George Zimmerman to present how the legal system actually works. And last but not least You Have The Right To Remain Innocent by James Duane. Possibly the most valuable $5 you will ever spend. He also talks about this subject on YouTube. (And he's faster than a TV talking head.) When I introduce anyone to firearms and they tell me they intend to use them for self defense I recommend this trilogy. What happens to you at a trial can be much worse than what happens during a shooting.

That was cool as hell....

Need this here

And the most lethal school massacre in U.S. history was committed using explosives - no firearms. Evil finds a way... the tools it chooses are irrelevant.

The bar for lethal force in NJ is in theory a credible threat of risk death, disfigurement, maiming/crippling, or rape of yourself or another. Outside the home you are obligated to retreat if you can do so safely. If you cannot do so safely, or cannot do so without credibly abandoning another to such a fate, you can use lethal force in self defense. Inside your home in NJ, you have no obligation to retreat. Regardless of what happens, you will likely be prosecuted because NJ views bot you and the dead/injured guy as chattel of the state, and you must answer for harming their property. At which point they may decide they gave you permission to harm their property in the course of their property trying to harm you.

Because handguns aren't small and concealable. You are a moron. In just my lifetime, the democrats have tried to ban -guns that were too cheap. -guns that shot to fast -guns that shot slower, but still too fast. -guns that were too accurate -guns that were not accurate enough. -guns that look kind of like military guns. The most lethal school shooting is still virginai tech and was done with 10 round mags and a handgun. The #2 mass murder event was done with a gallon of gas an a pack of matches.

Fairly accurate description of my behavior. Apply for 5 or 6 permits at a time now instead of 2 or 3. Safe overflowing and in need of a capacity upgrade. And lately a trend of me emailing real-estate listings in TX to my wife seeing if I can get her hooked.

Came across this on Reddit - excellent tracker for 2A cases in SCOTUS, District, Circuit and State courts: https://airtable.com/shrcrC5FsedZqIi3T/tblMclNyymYiklOOg/viwM47ZZsFWQo69Vf?blocks=hide

What? So, I signed an oath to defend the Constitution so I could only have 10 rounds and a none adjustable stock? Why are you even here?

dems are not winning in november

destroy your personal ID documentation claim to be "undocumented" get free health care problem solved

... and some of us actually escape!

Get back in touch with whoever gave you your FID card and ask about the status of the handgun purchase permit. If you applied for both of them at the same time then I'd expect them to be completed and made available to you at roughly the same time (within a week of each other).

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Who'da thunk that Kavanaugh would turn out to be a beer battered turd?

You don't need any "implied sign" to tell an intruder you don't want him or her to break in. If it's not their place and no one is there it's burglary. If someone there it's robbery. You can't shoot someone who broke your window and offers no threat. You are allowed to defend yourself in your home at any time unless the state has a must retreat law. Even then if you have no way to escape you can defend yourself. How you defend yourself is the question. If you encounter the intruder and they turn and run you can't shoot them. You can use deadly force when there is no other alternative to prevent death or serious injury to yourself or another. Everything else is in between and is dependent on the totality of the circumstances. No short answer to your question.

Democrat bird. It's New Jersey.

What about the gun safe that shrinks on you? ”I’ll never need a 20 gun safe, but I can keep some ammo in it”

They have not shuttered them all. The remaining plants have the capacity to ship wholesale cuts to grocery stores where the final cuts will be made. Just like the old days.... (sigh) like in the 80's. People will just have to learn how to cut up a whole chicken with a cleaver and use their fancy pants food processors and KitchenAids to make ground beef and sausage.

Well, greenie is not like they don't run on gun buy backs (as if they were theirs/ government to begin with) or on stricter gun control. Joe Biden proudly announced Beto would be his gun control czar and we know what he said he would do. Should we not believe them?

Good job Widdle buddy! We are very proud

After you go through the pain in the butt of starting to apply for a pistol permit, you'll be like "might as well apply for two." Then it comes down to, "No sense having them and not using them." Then once you discover how (relatively) easy it is to buy long guns without all the purchase permit stupidity, you'll grab an shotgun and a rifle. Then you'll develop a burning urge to get out of NJ.

I have no faith in this SCOTUS, specifically Roberts. There was absolutely no reason to silence the case Moot. The law was was there and people had to live under it, and they got rid of it knowing it was a civil rights violation.. Instead of making a quick ruling to ensure no law ever goes into effect of the same, they decided to do nothing.. this was literally a case where their ruling could have had no impact on any existing law... just a prior.. this tells me there is not a single gun law case they will take up and vote in our favor.. They can punt as many times they want.. if history tells us anything

Princetonian, it has nothing to do with guts, Roberts is a Deep State Activist and incumbent Washington elite with either collusion or compromied. I wouldn't be surprised if he was on that plane with Klinton, or on the other one with Menendez. Treacherous, just like with Obamacare. That was why the Schmuckster allowed him clear sailing when he become Chief Justice. The Globalist Fix is in.

Got the balcony done except for some trim, a bit of crown, some paint. What a pain moving that rail. The right rail was off a few weeks and "took a shape" and it wouldn't seat. I ended up putting it on the floor with some brake rotors on it to flatting it back out. Pain in my ass. 56 feet of 2x10 2 4'x8' sheets of 3/4 Advantech flooring 37 sq feet of 2-1/4" Maple 3/4" hardwood flooring 22 Joist hangers 3 sheets of drywall 2 gallons of paint Also needed my palm nailer, coil nailer, flooring nailer, about 200 cleats, 400 nails and 50 screws. All that to extend the balcony 30 inches. The Master bedroom is now 25' x 15' minus the stairs. Here is the OLD balcony layout.:

He doesn't care about you or me.

If you were satisfied with your last transaction, call that FFL and see if they will put a G19 on layaway. Just about every shop I have ever dealt with will put a gun aside for you as you wait for OGAM. You may need to put some or all the money down on it.

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Nah, Roberts will punt again.