Maksim

Guys, PLEASE CONTROL YOUR LANGUAGE. I am sure we are all adults and can get our point across without F this or F them. You are talking with your friends. People have family members and young children reading the forum. I understand that we are all passionate about this topic, but keep it respectful. If you can't, post somewhere else.

Anyone ok? So will find out on Wed. =)

Ok. I am sure this thread will get a lot of publicity, please lets keep the language in check.

The centerpiece of the package would: Establish an electronic system of instant background checks for gun retailers, combining the separate permits for handguns and hunting weapons into one. The system would use motor vehicle licenses or state-issued ID cards encoded with the buyer’s firearms ID information in the database operated by the State Police for permits for handguns and hunting rifles; Require a photograph on the ID; Require safety training to qualify for firearms permit; Criminalize the purchase and possession of ammunition by those convicted of certain crimes; Require a valid firearms ID for the purchase of ammunition; and, Mandate the revocation of gun permits at sentencing for those convicted of a crime and for those ordered into involuntary commitment. Among the bills in the package, is legislation that would: Disqualify those on the federal “no fly” list from eligibility for gun permits; Ban the sale of the .50 caliber Barrett assault weapon; Upgrade penalties for the unlawful possession of a firearm on school grounds; Upgrade penalties for gun dealers who knowingly sell to those who intend to transfer the weapon to an ineligible person, helping to combat straw sales that allow criminals to get weapons; Allow for the seizure and forfeiture of motor vehicles used in the illegal trafficking of firearms, disqualify gun traffickers from early release from prison and require they serve at least 85 percent of terms before parole; Establish a School Security Task Force to find ways to make schools safe and secure; Declare violence a health crisis, which could qualify for federal funds; Create a commission to study violence and mental health; Prohibit state investments in companies that manufacture, import or sell assault rifles for civilian use; Exempts firearms records from the Open Public Records Act. Allows for reporting of aggregate information on gun permits approved or denied but not any personal identifying information; and, Changes from second-degree to third-degree the crime of unlawful purpose when the weapon is a BB gun.

Here is the full press release.... Will throw it into another thread.... http://www.njsendems.com/release.asp?rid=4904

I want to take a look at all the bills that are out there. I do give Sweeney credit for now playing into the ghetto'crats wanting to do the extreme bills. So the 50 cal ban is there, but the newspaper says that it is for 50 BMG..... humn, time to dig for the bills.

They have about 3 cases right now of American Eagle 230 grain 45 acp. $24.99 a box. They also have some 380 and 38 special. Sent from my Z10 using Tapatalk 2

Yep, those are the two there.

Guys, this is far far far far far from over. This was just the Christie task force for violence. This is just his task force's recommendations. The Senate and Assembly still want to take away our gun rights. All of those bills are on top of the recommendations from this task force. This does not mean Christie will veto every bill on his desk that will pass. If anything, this is just cover for him to sign them, or let them sit and have them go into law by default.

Eh, you know, this really is an issue for US.... but to PA residents... I can fully understand. Put it this way... In what Shall Issue state would you have to live in, that does not have reciprocity with PA, that you would need to have a non resident license from a different state?

Will be flying down to Florida for a weekend and was going to bring a gun. Frontier now flies out of Trenton, so wondering if anyone had experience there yet. I have had no issues going out from ACY and PHL, but Trenton being as small as it is.... who knows. The free parking and airport being 20 mins away is a real draw.... granted their frequent flyer program is crap.

Miami Vice = YES! end scene was fantastic. Music made it even better. Other one for me is Matrix scene. For slow gun action..... Enemy @ the Gates!

BMW drivers have more sex? http://www.autospies.com/news/Survey-BMW-drivers-have-more-sex-Porsche-drivers-last-place-10030/

http://gawker.com/5994282/couple-spots-approaching-google-street-view-car-stops-by-the-side-of-the-road-to-have-sex?utm_campaign=socialflow_gawker_facebook&utm_source=gawker_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow This couple saw the google street view car coming, so they decided to become part of the scene. lol.

Correct, and until that happens... I do not want ANY MORE gun laws. When was the last time ANY gun law passed in NJ that made it easier for legal, law abiding gun owners to purchase a gun? We already have an easy way and all the technology. For starters, our Drivers License. it has a strip. I am sure they can backend all of the nics data to it. But there is no need for anything else... such as additional renewals for our existing FID's.... until they come up with something better.

Lets keep in mind, the report is as rosey as it is... because it's sole purpose was to focus on urban violence and mental health.... it was not to focus on gun control, or gun laws in general. and

the issue is "if if if if if" The current NICS check is taking 10 days. How long does it take in some towns to do a simple pistol permit? or a new FID? Now add in ALL of the new renewals that will have to be done. You have too much faith in the system (which btw is completely ANTI GUN), not to think we will be better off with new FID system.... until there is a solid plan to fix the current FID problems, I am not willing to give an inch to add on more layers of crap. My town currently is only avail once a week on a Tuesday for 2 to 3 hours to do FID's/Permits, etc. He is overwhelmed as it is. Adding all of the new renewals on will only slow it down even further. Glass half full? Heh.... when less than 15% of the population owns guns, and the entire state government is anti gun.... Does anyone ACTUALLY think they want to make owning guns easier?

Every politician and anyone in the "industry" that I have spoke to, all feel the same way, Chris Christie is not a fan of gun rights. His first evidence is the two anti gun AG's he appoints. Then you have his remarks on Hannity about our AWESOME gun laws. His stance on CCW. And of course....

Not signed by the governor = Bill passes. If a bill passes both state houses, and Christie DOES NOT sign... it passes by default. Christie HAS TO Veto it... which I don't think he will. Keep in mind.. Christie, by all accounts is ANTI GUN. Only thing on our side is his ambition to run for national office. Secondly, read the other part I copied from the report.... Where these are not comprehensive suggestions on gun control. This is only the beginning.

That section was for NJ Online dealers who sells to NJ residents. Quite frankly, they can pass a law... but it would be interstate commerce issues to say that you cannot buy something online from out of state.... unless they go to EVERY dealer and beat them over the head and start suing them.

This was the snippet about "recommendations"

The big thing they were on is FID renewal.... My thing with it... the cost. They state in the report that there would be additional cost, and some members of task force felt that additional cost should be passed onto the gun purchasers. Once again, they can state it is $500 to renew FID. Fortunately at least some members felt since it is a right , the cost should be on the states/municipalities.... well, except we all know who pays for it. The big nail in coffin is how they felt about CCW.... let me find the snippet. " New Jersey law imposes significant restrictions on when a person may obtain a permit to carry a handgun based upon a “justifiable need.” See N.J.S.A. 2C:58-4. Regulations define justifiable need to mean “urgent necessity for self-protection, as evidenced by specific threats or previous attacks which demonstrate a special danger to the applicant‟s life that cannot be avoided by means other than by issuance of a permit to carry a handgun.” See N.J.A.C. 13:54-2.4(d). These “carry” permits must be approved by a Superior Court Judge and are issued only when the court finds an urgent necessity for self-protection that entails more than a generalized fear for personal safety or the need to protect property alone. See In re Preis, 118 N.J. 564 (1990)."

There are other issues too... such as disclosing if you were on ANY meds for mental issues.... so if you took anti depressants 20 years ago because of x, y, and z.... or you even talked to a shrink... has to be disclosed, and in most cases would likely be denied unless you prove otherwise that you are ok.

That would be incorrect. They did not say that there is no need for lower mag limits... they said they could not come to an agreement between them if it is needed or not, some were for it, others against it, so they did not give the official recommendation. Furthermore, they did state near the beginning, that these recommendations are not the only recommendations Christie should take, but should be in conjunction with anything else from Legislation.