Maksim

Mag limits is one of those things, that 4 years ago, I would agree with... the issue is, it is still giving up in the fight. You give them an inch,they will want a mile. Before you know it, there will be limits as to how much ammo you can buy. It serves no purpose. Even if there are new mag limits, how many existing mags are there here? Besides, if a guy can make an AK from a shovel, they can certainly make mags that fit more than 10 rounds.

I agree on the benefits. The pension probably, I am not familiar with how it works in terms of your contribution, if any that you have to do. As I posted before... OT depends... is it a one time thing or not. If OT is there because you are understaffed, than it should be fixed. I would rather pay a tad more instead of having a cop walking around with lack of sleep working 70 hours a week.

Can't you make a post without being an insulting a'hole? If OT is a one time thing... sure. But obviously it is not. If it costs a bit more right now, get more people because you can save more in the long term.

So what are you making now? =) Seriously, $175k is too much freaking money, no matter how many hours this guy works for a public sector job. Beyond that, if Jon is right, and this guy worked an average of 28 hours of Over Time.... EVERY WEEK.... on top of his 40 hour a week now... do we really want him to work 70 hours a week? Let's be serious.

And I bet 95% of cops make less than $175,000. The whole point was... the guy should not be making $175k. The PA should of hire someone for $45k to do the OT work instead of paying this guy $80k. What was there not to understand?

Deserve has nothing to do with it. The point is... it is the citizens of the town who make that up. It is their job to determine how much they want. It is not your job, it is their job. If the citizens want lower taxes, they can make whatever choices they want, it is they that have to live with it. My personal township is good, their salaries are competitive, on average about 60k a year, a few detectives making more. That is what I feel is a good wage. They brought on more cops as needed, due to a few retired ones and the growth. In fact, I think they need to hire one or two more, particularly to relieve the detectives who are doing too much as it is.

where would you say you are more likely to get killed... in Newark or Rumson? Yes, a cop can get killed anywhere.. much like a public citizen can. But you can't say your job is as dangerous in every town you can be working.

Gee, where did I say fair? I don't pay you salary... except I guess when I do have to go into the city... but if you are PA... you work for a private entity. If you are a public sector cop, than it should be in question. I don't know your exact duties... but in any case, I don't think it should be over 125k. If most of your pay is OT... then Pa needs to hire more people.

Should be up to the individual towns based on their circumstances and what is required. Obviously towns with more crime, should be paid more. A neighboring town, based on the work that they do.... no more than 65 to 75k a year. There should be a cap. Newark, Trenton, should be paid more based on the fact that any day, they can be killed.

And where does the bus go? Port Authority. Back to the discussion. Look, I don't blame the individual cops for taking the salary. You would have to be a moron not to take the $175k. The problem is with the governing bodies, always was, always will be. Bad cops will be bad cops and should be dealt with. This discussion was never about the individual cops. Public employees will always be under scrutiny as they should be. They are a use of the people's money and as such as accountable to the people. As such, I dont think they should be paid over $100,000 a year. Do I blame them for taking more? Absolutely not. The blame should be on the people giving them those salaries.

First thing you did was blast how salary is off limits and no one should question him getting paid $175k..... instead of focusing on the facts.... Guy arrested for breaking the law. In any case, this is locked. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

Jon, if you are by a PC, can you split this topic, move the vast majority of it to politics.... and keep the original story here.... So back to the point... PA private security guy got arrested for illegal guns and high cap magazines.... go Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

So congrats, we should have more people like you. I know from first hand experience from what I saw, and what they told me. Much like the cops who sleep in their cars in the middle of cemeteries, the cops who steal shit. Does it mean they are all bad? Absolutely not. The vast majority of LEO I know personally are good hard working people. But my problem with you, is that you defend all LEO and that everything LEO should be off limits. Nope, does not work like that. This LEO in picture is a moron. He got caught breaking the law. When you do that, everything is in question, and nothing off the table. Maybe it is symentaics, and Port Authority being private.... so PA Cops are not really cops, but private security with badges? If so, I could care less what they make... it is a private entity. But don't call them cops. Cops implies public funding. Public means it is all in question. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

Mark, this was already in reference to all public jobs. Port Authority is quasi public sector. As others mentioned, there is no way to get into the city without going through one of their properties. Look at Toyota and look at GM. Look, not all unions are bad, but the unions I was part of, and the unions I deal with, are more concerned with their own pocket books than their members. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

that would be politicians, and people who were taking on more debt than they can pay. =) Banking industry made it worse... but by no means did they start it. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

Than those governing bodies should be responsible. There is no logical reason why taxpayers should throw away their money like that. None. If anything, I believe our troops should be paid $90k a year, you know, the ones taking bullets, as opposed to people sitting at the airport. (yes, my friend does exactly that.... ) Hell, our dispatchers should be paid that much. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

No, it is not. Stop trolling it that direction. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

I will tell you right now, I am 100% absolutely against unions. This is not the 1950's. Unions is what killed America's industries and the only reason GM, and Dodge went bankrupt. Now the anti-leo comments, who said anything bad about cops? You are the first one that brought it up. Let me remind you, LEO are public sector, so should we just pay them all $200,000 a year without questions? When the fact is, it is my taxes that pay someone's salary, I have a damn good reason to question how MY MONEY is being spent. It has nothing to do with being anti cop.... it has everything to do with controlling my expenses. As far as overtime... well, if someone makes as much in OT over the course of the year as much as their salary... and their salary is high to begin with... we should be hiring more people. There are over 21 million people out of work, some of them will do the work for alot less pay. Besides... why do we need someone getting paid $90,000 a year to effectively do the job of someone earning $35,000 a year. Corporations are responsible to the owners.... public sector is responsible to the people paying their salaries. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

Alec, here is the big issue... what a private company does is their business. Want to know the details, become a shareholder, or better yet, go read a financial report. It is mostly in there. Public workers, guess what, it is tax payer dollars, whether I like it or not, I am paying for it. It is not McDonalds, where if you do not want it, you don't have to shop there. $175,000 a year for law enforcement? I think it is too much. I know PA cops and while a lot of them are good people, there are people I know personally who are boasting how they sit on their ass and get paid big dollars. Once again, I don't give a hoot if someone is a cop or not... my problem is with people on an individual basis and their level of integrity. We have the same right to complain about how much individual law enforcement makes, as the mayor. It has nothing to do with cop bashing. I support cops, but I do not support cops making nearly $200,000 a year. Once again, public sector works for the people.... paid for by the people, where we don't have a choice. Private sector works for their stakeholders, and risks their own capital. The money they earn, is for the risk they take. The public sector spends money, and well, for the most part, they are not responsible to anyone. Instead of paying someone an extra $80,000 in overtime, I would rather we hire someone for $40k a year who would be thankful for a job. The attrocity is that public sector jobs are not more in the open, and the media focuses on private sector bonuses. But back to the point.... the guy broke the law... yes he is a cop, he is not above them. Are the laws stupid? Sure... As far as the "newtown" style, I think that is more in jest. If you read the Post, you would know they are the more conservative paper in nyc. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

Rey, fixed. =)

Rey , will check into it for you bud. =)

Back to a regular keyboard. Point of clarification. So the point in question is the one banner ad that shows up on the index page and after the first post for guests, and those that are not premier members. Premier members do not see any ads, anywhere on the site, and will not. The ad's that show up, are from an ad network that works with all the gun communities out there, Tactical Republic, that other daily deals site, the name slips my mind right now. They are the only advertising network that allows gun related sites. Google, the most widely used one, auto bans every publisher (the forum) that supports firearms. So if you go on almost any other gun forum or blog, they all use Tactical Republic. In turn, Tactical Republic pays the websites a fixed monthly sum to display the ad. TR then goes out and finds the companies to advertise on there. The individual forums do not. Personally as I did not see the ads, except when I am not at home pcs, did not know the extent of CTD ads. I am not a fan of CTD, or rather More Expensive than Shit. =P, and will send a request to tactical republic to see if they can eliminate CTD from the rotation here on NJGF. Because it is not controlled on our end, I do not know if it is even possible. TR currently cover the gap for technology fees, and I would rather they pay for it, than the vendors on the forum, who already contribute a small percentage. Over the past few months we have upgraded the technology twice... yes, twice.... and I foresee it doubling Q12013 based on the increase in traffic. Without TR it would not be covered and as a result the fees would have to go up, and I do not want to do it, either via premier or on the vendors. I am going to as TR to drop the CTD ads from our rotation, but beyond that.... 2 things we can do.... 1. If the ad really annoys anyone, become a premier member, $3/month and no more ads. 2. Pay no attention to CTD, make a post on NJGF reminding how bad CTD screwed gun owners in 2008. Hopefully this sheds some light on it, and how we are kinda in between a rock and a hard place.

We don't have control over individual ads, nor do we make anything. Per click, it is automated through tactical republic, the ad network for gun sites. Will follow up when I get home.

You can only get a Business type policy if you have more than 1 employee. A small group is considered 2 or more employees.... except in ny... but NY policies are 3x the cost of NJ, which is already 2x the cost of anywhere else. Dan, send me a pm, can get you setup with a good individual policy for the family. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

I have that coupon as well as the $20 off.... how much was ammo? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD