Maksim

Is it capable for full vertical take off? Or just landing? I take it it can hover?

Wow... even a glock KB is not that Epic!

gun was designed for the Armor Piercing , hot hot hot rounds. That ammo was banned from import, so FNH released new ammo which was highly toned down. I have shot the FiveSeven, my personal opinion, the recoil was not that low, and in fact felt a bit snappy. Most of all, felt a little toooooo plasticy. (I'd rather have a glock)

guys, come on, enough, we all know there are no such things as Bears, Coyotes, or Mountain Lines in NJ. It is all Right Wing Propoganda.

I lived in the Ghetto for 8 years in Elizabeth, and then lived in NYC for about a year during school. Yes, we can't legally carry in NJ, however it does not mean the post should go unnoticed. The biggest takeway anyone can do here is to learn situational awareness, and not making yourself a victim. Ie... two guys walking to their cars in Newark from the train station. 1 is chatting on his cell phone, and checking scores on the other, his attention anywhere but around him. the other is walking tall looking around him for other people, keys in a fist, briefcase in the other. Who is more likely to get mugged?

What is the build date? I picked up a 9 Pro that was built in 10/11, and it was not bad. 6.25 lb trigger pull, not gritty at all. My expectation was that I would have to rip out the trigger day 1, but was pleasantly surprised over some other Pros I have shot/seen at Shot Show.

Easy solution, practice to your heart's content, not to disengage the safety until your gun is pointed in the safe direction, ie the berm. Why would you click off the thumb safety before your gun is even at the target? Is it slowing you down that bad? edit: if your thumb safety is on, there should be no freaking way you put one in your leg on the draw. Hence the video of the guy a few posts above. He was using thumb drive. There would have to be three things going wrong for you to shoot yourself in the leg on the draw with a 1911. 1. You did not use, or clicked off the safety before your gun was pointed in a safe direction. 2. Your finger was in the trigger guard. 3. You muzzle swept yourself. I don't know, maybe this is why my draw is so slow (comparatively), but I only click off the thumb safety after I draw, and my gun is presented at the target, as I am lining up the front sight.

CZ 75/85 EAA Witness guns (CZ based guns) Sig P226/229 Hk P30L/USP in no particular order.

Going to add some stuff to the other side... Was just recalling my experience a week ago in Florida, RO'ing Florida Open. A few of the shooters were extremely bad with finger in trigger guard (whole other topic on how the match was run), so after the stage (No, I did not DQ the shooter as this is we were told point blank not to by the match directors) I took the shooter aside and told them their issue. The gentleman, older guy, told me he knew, and that due to arthritis his finger curved in. I am not a doctor, nor do I even begin to understand, however I fully awknoledge, that for this person, I can absolutely see the Serpa holsters being a very bad idea, as pushing the button, and engaging it, his finger would go into the trigger guard, on the trigger and go bang. I sometimes forget not everyone's physical abilities are the same, and forget how people cant keep their damn finger straight to disengage the lock (not like it takes alot of pressure). It all has to come down to individual shooter and they all have to make their choice, and best we can do is make people aware of what is going on. Personally, the guns I shoot, in the manner I shoot them, and my physical abilities, I have no issues with the Serpa holsters. God forbid I have an ND, I am not going to blame the holster, the weather, but will accept the personal responsibility. However, I completely agree that the design of the holster, combined with the design of the gun, and the person's physical abilities, in the hands of certain shooters is a potential recipe for disaster. If I was to one day wake up and drink the Kool Aide, and buy a Glock, I would consider more carefully if I would run a Serpa holster. In any case, if someone is worried about it, they can easily take the lock out or disable it, within 5 mins. To blatantly say outright "Don't buy Serpa Holsters" I will disagree with. =)

Genius When did this happen? Fortunately no one else was hurt.

Yes.... the example of the gun falling out was not to say that all bladetechs have issues. Merely to point out that any holster can have issues when not adjusted properly for whatever you are using it for. I love blade tech holsters and their support, as evident by them coming out to the forum to take care of some issue someone was having. Vlad, I think that suggestion is terrific idea... make a list and sticky somewhere of known Serpa holsters where your finger is left in a not so ideal location. This would avoid alot of the bashing threads and the bickering of "I have no issues" and "Holster made me pull trigger." The Good 1911 Sig P226 Caution Glock

thanks for sharing.

Yes, in the Glock case... I 100% agree with you. The Serpa design of that holster, combined with glock design puts your finger really close to trigger guard. In the other designs, not even close. Btw, IIRC, the other ND that was in PA was while reholstering. You don't need your bugger finger to reholster a gun. In that case again, shooter error, not holster or holster design.

This is the type of "holster" and we use that term loosely. The competitor was rushing/what not and did not get it in the trigger guard/lock portion. And if you miss.... nothing else there. Another person with a very similar holster, had a gun bumped out of it and fell in the morning. This is a big fear of mine, so for that reason my own holster for the race type guns is with a platform.

Absolutely Agree with you there 100%. Then the question really becomes about banning them. To me, a Serpa Holster is just like a 2 lb trigger pull on a gun. In it of itself it is not bad, but to certain people it makes it exponentially less safe. However, does that mean we ban 2 lb triggers and institute a minimum trigger pull requirement. Bottom line, I think people should be aware of using such holsters, however we can't blame the holster design for people's mistakes. For instance... this weekend, during the make ready, a competitor dropped a gun while holstering into a DAA/Ghost type holster. (the ones where it holds it only by the trigger guard). Whose fault is that? Holster or competitor. Do we recommend that people not buy those types of holsters? Blade tech holsters... a competitor had a gun fall out of holster while going kneeling or prone during a 3 gun match last year. Serpa would of prevented it. I think all tools have both pros and cons, and people should know about them.

I am going to add my 2 cents in here, considering I own 3 Serpa's for the production guns. Are there potential issues with some models? Absolutely. In fact, on the Glock holsters, the finger is much closer to being near the trigger guard. I have direct experience with 1911, Sig and M&P Serpas, practice drawing from the holsters, and in all cases, (most of my experience with the 1911 which I have used in gun games for over a year) the finger is placed on the frame, not on the trigger guard. Would I recommend a newbie get a Glock Serpa holster? No. Why? Does the Serpa holster pull the trigger on your gun? No, it does not, but it does not make it more difficult to have an ND on the draw. On the Glock designed serpas you finger is really really close. On the 1911, I would not think twice about using it, and will take pictures of exactly where the finger ends up on the frame. I think a big misconception people have about the serpas is that they were designed to have your finger on the trigger guard, which is not true. Designed to end up with finger on the frame. The two ND's that you speak of... If we are thinking of the one in PA, I cannot speak to that as I do not know all facts, however the one we have had locally, I would highly doubt it is the holster, and rather the shooter. That shooter was DQ'ed twice or three times last year, for various stupid shit, including once setting off a round into the backstop on the reload (finger in trigger guard), I don't recall if I was the RO at the time running him or was merely on his squad. So my direct experience it is the shooter not the holster. I think it is quite tough to find someone to man up and say... "hey, I had my finger in the trigger guard/on the trigger" and instead lets play the blame the holster game, because it is not my fault. Unsafe people will always be unsafe, it does not matter if they have a level 10 holster or a simple blade tech. To sum this up, while in Glock cases the Serpa's are not pulling the trigger, albeit they don't help, in all other guns I have used them, specifically the 1911 holsters, not once in the hundreds of times I have drawn from it, was my finger anywhere close to being in or near the trigger guard. In all cases, was on the slide/frame.

just pay attention to your division scores.... the Finals single stack is overall for your division, pistol single stack is individual stage scores for your division. Finals Overall is the overall of all divisions.

Mag Lula. i was a jew cheap and did not want to get one, but when I did, don't leave home without it. Some other stuff... (nice to have, not required) 1. Timer (for keeping track of your splits, and overall shooting performance) 2. Chronometer , especially if you start reloading 3. Bunch of allen keys/wrenches for your bag, along with a small multi head screw driver. 4. Cleaning patches in your range bag, along with some oil or solvent. 5. Magazine brush (especially if you practice reloading, dropped mags on floor) 6. Snacks! 7. a Bag for empty brass to brass whore. 8. bunch of latex gloves (for the guys with sensitive skin. =P ) 9. Markers/pens/sharpies to mark your targets... better yet... pasters 10. Extra ear plugs/ear muffs, eye protection for guests. When shooting indoors, i double up, plugs and muffs. 10.5. some extra cash stashed in the bag. when shooting, I will leave wallet and stuff in the car. sometimes you will want to buy stuff.

wow.... can't believe barrel split so much. Figured the bullet would push out the bore sighter, unless it was in there really really tight?

Yep, makes sense. Thanks Matt. =) Very easy for new people to forget that.

yay. scores up. blah..... almost won Limited. almost.... One mike would of done it. Hats off to the stage designers, great stages as always.

I always admired the "value" of the 24/7, and the ergos... my only concerns, the trigger is complete utter mush/crap. The new series alot better from my understanding, but still leave a ton to be desired.

Apex trigger kit is going to drop the weight of trigger pull and clean it up. By no means is it going to turn it into an Hk. In fact, two different trigger systems, DA vs DA/SA on Hk. You do not need the Apex kit, it is a nice to have.

93 Z28. Was my dream car through high school.

No point speculating, could of been something else. =) But in any case... can't wait for the scores. lol.