Maksim

I would assume facilities. Plus, the pa ranges, the cheap ones are public, supported by public funds.

wow, I cant believe those stooopid gun dealers sold me two beautiful rare Russian Garands, thinking they were SKS.

Feels better how?

Buy another box.... however, I would personally put at least 250 to 500 rounds through my gun before being satisfied that it is without issues. What does 15 rounds tell you about a gun? Probably nothing when you are trying to determine the reliability of your firearm and characteristics of how the round shoots. OP, I am glad Hornady took care of this issue.

No one is saying using non-brass cased ammo is dangerous. It functions fine and there are no issues. The issue comes from the extra wear that goes on your barrel from the bullets that are shot with this type of ammo. The Bi-metal bullets are a thin coating of copper on top of cheap steel. Steel against your barrel causes more wear on your firearm's barrel.

Found it. http://www.uspsa.org/front-sight-magazine-article.php?Should-I-Buy-BiMetal-Ammo-8

Glenn, that is exactly what I'm saying. The jacket is so thin, that the steel core is actually touching the rifling. I believe it was in an issue of Front Sight magazine, have to dig it up somewhere.

Cameron, Just to clarify, for someone brand new, this would fullfill the education requirement? Or just paperwork? If you already have Florida, do you need another course for Utah?

Even at a private range, the range members are the owners, at least at CJRPC where you pay a cap contribution to become a part range owner, I do not know about CR. Hoping Anthony will respond here (GFH) as he would know better. Will make this a poll, who think it is a big deal, and who does not mind. Even in a membership the majority of the members have the right to make that decision. Do I wish everyone was honest and treated everything as their own, absolutely. However that is not where we are at. Bullet Hole, Brick Armory, Shore shot, are no different that private clubs, the difference is there is one owner over many. In a black and white world, it would be easy to say, I want my privacy, the problem is it comes at a cost. What is more likely to happen, a camera protecting the club property, and protecting you from a baseless lawsuit because someone decides to slip and fall and sue, or.... You have to defend yourself, shoot the bad guy, and they file charges against you, and pull up a video of you shooting. No matter what the evidence at your hearing is, it can be spun 100 different ways, and we can argue that point all day long. If you were club president, what would you do? Keep member dues as low as possible and protecting from lawsuits, or take a hard line in the hopes that this lottery ticket will someday pay off?

Hate to break it to you, but no one cares what you own, or do in the privacy of your own home or office. I hate the stupid gun laws as much as anyone else, that has nothing to do with a private club choosing to protect themselves and their members, that includes you from frivilious lawsuits. If this is something that bothers you, take it up with the board. If they do not do anything, and it still bothers you, quit the club and find another place. If you are doing something you do not want recorded, that is a different issue. Point is, the club is private property and you are a guest there. In America, personal freedoms, include the right to install cameras on your property. So even if I don't agree with being recorded, the majorty of the people might find value in it. Democracy is a bitch, accept the fact that other people have a right to their opinions. Personally, I am all for ranges having cameras, find the people who destroy the property and kick them out. Address problems before it becomes really bad.

btw, now that my wedding planning is over, if you are in Central Jersey, will be happy to take you out to the range and let you shoot whatever you like. There is a good list. Same thing, I would invite you to go and watch a USPSA or IDPA match so you can see some gun games in action, and see where you interests may be. Talk to the competitors, they will be happy to share their wisdom with you.

Was going to write something, but then decided Bob wrote it far better. =) +1 to 9mm. More practical all around until you decide what your "game" is, at which point you will decide if you want to go 9mm, 40 for USPSA Limited/L10, Single Stack, or even Revolver.

+1 and to add to what Jackdawack posted. You have no obligation to privacy outside of your home. What you do on your own private property, is your own business and perogotive. When you step out into a public or another private place of business, it is their rules. Your only recourse is to not solicit the business. If you do not want to be seen on camera, wear a ski mask. =) But through the bylaws of the club, the BOD and membership which elected them has decided to go ahead and install those cameras. Any issues over privacy should be addressed to the Range officials and BOD, and not on the board. I am not trying to take away from your pitty party, except it solves nothing. If you want a serious explanation of why, only the BOD can explain their intent. If you want a pitty party.... I'm sorry that you feel that way, but you are in the minority. In the past year, there have been at least 2 suicides at NJ's public ranges, and a few more "accidents". The only way to prevent stooooopid frivolious lawsuits by the surviving families, and to stop people from slipping at the range and suing, is to have evidence/proof of what really happened. He said/she said does not weigh the same as a video of what really happened. Think of it this way, part of the reason we need to video tape everything is because we live in a sue-happy society where someone will sue you because you looked at them the wrong way.

Shongum in the north, CJRPC and Ft Dix in the middle area. Ft Dix really is a public range. $60 a year.

Hymn, try this. Turn off 4G, WiFi, and Bluetooth if not using. Phone lasts me all day. On Sprint, worked in the dessert.

EVO works quite well

Yep. Looks really nice. Not a fan of the two time, but looks great, and fantastic components.

Will make that clarification on the form. Every vendor (ffl) on the forum gets the price request.

Dont take this the wrong way... the russian ammo is not crap. It is very reliable, and in alot of cases very accurate. It just has trade offs. If I did not care about wear on the gun, I would absolutely use it. My SHTF mags are loaded with Wolf 223 for my AK, and PMC and Federal Tactical 223 for my AR's. Functionally, the steel cased, and corrosive surplus ammo is very reliable and effective, it is just to me.... it is worth spending a $1 or so per box more to get brass cased ammo. I see more use out of it, as you have the brass that you can reload. If I was just a typical shooter, ie go to the range, blow off 100 rounds, I would probably buy the cheapest ammo I can find.

Yarn, haha. There is yarn far more expensive than the stuff they sell at Michaels. I've seen Anastasia bring home some expensive yarn. Apparently they go up to $100 a skane (roll (our measuring unit equivalent would be a box of ammo)). Any hobby that you are committed too, will be a burden on your wallet. Welcome to the forum.

It is a two way street, and just because you are a customer, does not mean you are their number one priority. Beleive it or not, there is absolutely no money to be made in New guns. With places like buds, etc, and I will admit, the price request thing ain't helping them, but it is about the bottom dollar. Places like Buds, who just drop ship from distributor to your local FFL, have no overhead for a warehouse or anything. Because of their volume, they can sell a glock a $1 over cost and make money as no one at Buds ever touches the gun. They are just the middle man. If you bought 5 new guns from a dealer, at most they made $10 or $20 on a new gun, due to the commoditized marketplace. Someone who sells on consignment or buys used guns, is a far more profitable customer. This is why some dealers would rather just charge you for the transfer. Gun stores are not in the business of selling new guns. There is simply no money to be made there, especially when everyone wants the lowest price. The only way to get away with it, is to buy at cost, and sell at full MSRP, and that can only work in large retail stores where the people come in, not knowing anything (not njgf forum folks).

Out of the other ammo brands you listed... S&B is really good, except the brass for reloading is a bit more difficult. Ammo is typically loaded a tad hot, and some rounds are infact steel core. CCI Blazer is good ammo at a very reasonable price. Blazer comes in steel and brass varieties. Blazer Brass is good ammo. PMC is really good too. For commercial 223, I love it. Did not shoot alot of 9mm but the components seem good. When I met with the representatives at Shot Show, they were very focused on good quality ammo. Not familiar with others.

I would not even worry about that. Steel case will not run in some guns, especially AR's with tighter tolerances or tighter springs. Steel does not seal and form to the chamber as brass will. Thus, in some AR's, it runs fine, in others, It would not have as good of a seal, and would not have the ooomph to cycle the bolt all the way, and you would have either FTE or FTF issues. You have this issue, to a lesser extent in handguns. Once the spring is broken in, you should have less issues, or no issues. The other aspect is with the bullet that they use themselves. Some steel cased stuff is nothing more than steel core ammo, with a very thin jacket that gets broken up, or is cut into by the rifling, leaving steel rubbing against barrel. There was a post I was reading before where this was tested, various ammo was shot, pulled and looked at. Many of the russian steel cased ammo, was nothing more than repackaged old military rounds.

Cheapest is to reload... but when buying... for 9mm... Aimsurplus Cabela's online when they have sales and $5 shipping Walmart For surplus... Aim Surplus Personally, I would stay away from steel cased ammo, especially in a newer gun. I just dont trust alot of it, but I truly care about feeding the best. Dont cheap out. You did not buy a BMW just to save a few cents filling it with off brand regular when the car requires super.

yep, Ex dragoon. It started life as an M91, then sometime after 1930 it was chopped and upgraded to 91/30 model.