Maksim

I love Lee, but the Pro 1000 is the biggest POS in the whole wide word... I have one ready to go for 45 LC if you want for $75. I am sure you can get the kinks out. the Lee Load Master is leaps better, but still not up to par to the Hornady and Dillon AP. Lee makes a great classic turret press, and a great single stage... it ends with that.

This is actually where it all started Parker. =)

Old School, For someone to learn, I would rather they start on a single stage or a turret press.... however Bryan said he wants to buy one and that is it.... so the 650 is what he should get. If I spend $700 on a blue press and I still have to index it myself.... as opposed to the $200 Lee press that does it by itself... i'd be pissed. lol. But that is why you should not be learning on a AP. Other school of thought would be to get a single stage or turret press for rifle, and a Square Deal for pistol. I feel a Hornady Lnl AP in my near future..... =)

Dillon makes good stuff, but really ought to go 650 if you are buying once. Auto progressive really works well.... or just get the Hornady Lock n Load. They are all good presses, it really comes down to preference of if you are Red, Blue, Orange or Green. Here is a great article... http://www.comrace.ca/cmfiles/dillonLee ... arison.pdf

except the ATF is cracking down on collectors getting an FFL just to enhance personal collections and ability to buy for self at cost from dealers. If you are a gun dealer, you have alot of responsibility... who is going to take it more seriously, joe blow collector with an FFL or someone whose livelihood depends on it.

Same here. I always hear all tons of hoopla about milled receivers, thick receivers, etc. Still waiting to see a pic of even a WASR that died during civilian target shooting use None have died that I know of in civilian target shooting use. But no one mentioned that. We are talking accuracy and long term reliability. 20,000 round rapid fire torture test... which would you rather go for? Heritage and all, all the AK's I have played with, minus a few.... just feel like cheap shit. That is the reason I sold the Wasr, the Saiga, and the PSL. The only AK's that had my expectations of build quality and overall fit and finish are the Pap and Veprs. But this is like comparing a stock DPMS versus a LWRC ar.

Heavier receiver means less heating up, means increased accuracy in longer strings of fire. Glenn, my stock vepr vs any AK any day. Even slap a scope on it. Mine is at 1 inch right now with a basic load. Go to rob arms website for more accuracy range reports. This is where we differ. I could care less for military correctness, I just care about having the best package that I enjoy shooting. BTW, Russian military is not about the best for the grunts, but about cheapest to build.... and the rpm receivers were sooooooooo incorrect that saga decided to buy out the vyatskii polyni factory and now sells vepr clones. Come down and shoot mine or find one you can shoot and fondle for a while... then we will continue. Can you build a more true AK? Absolutely, but for someone who just wants to buy, they are tough to beat. I have owned wasrs, saigas, and shot paps, norincos, amd,s. They are nowhere near the fit and finish of the veprs.

Not a Mistake! http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx? ... &groupid=6 this is uberly cheap for 308, even for those that reload!

Forgot.... the Ukranian model is not the Vepr that VP did. It is a bullpup design that has absolutely nothing to do with the original Vepr. http://world.guns.ru/assault/as68-e.htm

Veprs were made in Russia, by Vyatskii Polyani... they were taken over by izmaesh/saiga. No longer made and were imported only from 1998? or 1999 through 2001 or 2002. Imported by Robinson Arms (rob arms) The original models were the Vepr's. RPK receiver, thumbhole wood stock and foregrip. 2 stage match trigger. They came in 7.62x39, .223 and 308 models. 7.62 used a slightly modified magazine. .223 used AK 74 magazines with a Robinson Arms follower, and 308 had their own mags. then came the Vepr K's and Vepr 2. These used the same exact receiver, however also came in a shorter barrel, however these had more american parts now after the ban. the new vepr's had a new, lighted polymer stock and foregrip, different triggers I believe. The great news, the 7.62, and the new 5.45 calibers were using standard AK mags. the cream of the crop, or what makes every VEPR fanboy melt in their pants is the highly coveted Super Vepr. these were imported for one or two years in limited numbers, they were 308 only and had a one piece wood stock, rail mount etc. IE. Heavy duty RPK AK system redone for DMR duty. the plus sides.... great great great receiver, yes, Glenn will say it is not a true AK , but it is 50% stronger receiver. Better near match quality barrel, and a great trigger. The downsides are the mags for the 308's are scarce (not that bad, but expensive), and the weight gets up there. I have a Vepr that I picked up from Cabelas on a trip, a few of you shot it at Dix. I freaking love it. Was fortunate enough to buy it with 13 mags, 12 of which are 15 rounders, and one 5 round mag. Mine is a 223. I am always looking for a Super vepr for a good price, but tough to find one for what I am willing to pay, sub $1500, and ideally for $1000 or so. http://www.robarm.com/RA_vepr_akrpkcomp.htm Vepr 1 Vepr K Vepr 2 Holy Grail Super Vepr More great reading on the Vepr. There was another rifle of a guy who shot his stock Vepr in a NRA High Power service rifle match and did quite well with it. http://www.robarm.com/RA_russian_firearms.htm

difference being reactive targets. As long as not attached, would keep going. Myth busters did an episode about ricochets... It was only at some stupid angle would it have enough force to keep on going. This was a freak accident, however yes... this is more dangerous than shooting at a target that passes a bullet through 200 yards away. I am sure the guys shooting Steel Plates have an idea that it is more dangerous.

wow. How common is this and how quickly does the management notice this and react? Anything that can be done on a pre-emptive basis? Now you got me concerned.

thanks paul. there ya go... great phrase... principal objective of livelihood and profit through the repetitive purchase and resale of firearms, someone who starts a business in order to make a profit on firearms, or someone who does, with a primary purpose of enhancing their personal collection. So are you buying and selling guns to pay your mortgage bill or buying and selling guns to make a profit to purchase nice collectible guns that you are keeping for a while.

viewtopic.php?f=57&t=10358 check cabelas, link above... or aim surplus had 45 acp for $16.95. I do not know who tiny used before, the loads seemed ok. Honestly, if you shoot alot, invest $500 in yourself, get a press and learn to reload. plenty of folks will show you how.

ar15 hometown section.

WOOOHOOOO! A great win.... well, take back for gun owners in Burlington county. So whatever happened with that case of found "bullets" on the next door property?

Well... I shot with a $1,500 leupold today...... yeah... what a waste. I prefer my half priced nikon.

Humn, interesting question but the bigger one is for what context would it matter? I would say the difference in the definition would be.... "Purchasing firearms for the primary purpose of reselling it for a profit down the road." Emphasis on primary reason for purchase. I will be honest and be the first to admit I have purchased around 35 firearms this year, of which I kept around 28 or so. The other 7 I did not see a need to own any longer, had a similar example in a better grade, decided to take my collection in a different direction, or just plain didn't like to shoot it. I dont believe in safe queens, and have shot all of the firearms I own with the exception of 2, an 1898 Krag and a last ditch Arisaka. I haven't shot them because ammo is tough to find, nor have I had enough time and priority to place on those firearms to put them into the shooting rotation, however... I would love to keep them from a collectors standpoint, and shoot them down the road. Unless I shoot it, and I love it... there is no reason why I wouldn't sell the firearm. The real beauty is buying a used firearm... where you can buy it, shoot it, and if you do not like it, sell it again for the same price.

target? See if you can find a Smith Wesson model 41? Or a nice target browning buckmark.

WTF.. looks like a nice Mosin and a nice Arisaka along with some lever action in the pic. "Participants received $50 for non-operational weapons, $75 for handguns, rifles and shotguns, and $150 for assault weapons and machine guns. The cash came from funds seized from drug dealers." not terrible. lol.

Welcome to the club.

vette is running?!?!!?!?

+1 viewforum.php?f=38 politics are there.

I dont. I shoot all my military type rifles iron sights. Havent found a great mount yet. But looking forward to one.