Maksim

a few people do. what type of bike do you want to get? cruiser? sports bike? btw... congrats!

Was just browsing their website... http://www.shoreshotpistolrange.com/prices.html when did it go up to $20/h?

Isn't that what we've been doing for over a week, now? Guys, here we go again. You're shooting the messenger. Go right ahead, if it makes you feel better. But in the meantime, instead of chastising me for being such a tyrannical bastard, you could be circulating the link to everyone you know and encouraging them to get on board. Or, we can spend more time debating the pleasantries of how we ought to greet each other and share the pail and shovel. But consider this. If your house was on fire, would you complain about the fireman who kicked you in the a** to get you to safety? the main difference, everyone universally understand, house on fire, you get out. this, while is important, and urgent, is not a matter of life and death. keep in mind, you cant say... do this.... there are many people who are just getting into firearms ownership that need a reason as to why. Saying do this, does not keep firearms in the best light. =) I have signed it, and all firearms owners I know are on here. Call the store owners, and have them put out a quick flyer. there is always time to take action. Ie. go to Cheyenne, where I see tons of NJCSD flyers all the time, and talk to people there. =P Instead of chasing individuals, chase the people who deal with hundreds daily. they can do more in a day, than you can do in a month.

Absolutely, and don't think I haven't expressed my frustration over it already. I'm here trying to kick everyone in the a**. This message will be posted everywhere. Would it not be better to focus our effort on getting gun owners motivated and involved, than comparing who's done the least? No, I said that on SOME systems with SOME versions of IE and it just might require a bit of persistence. It's no different than any other internet site where sometimes pages don't load right. But I'd bet my left testicle that if it were an ammunition or accessory purchase at stake, it wouldn't stand in the way. The time for half-measures and grade-school incentives is long past. The reason we have to use a 'heavy handed' approach is because the candy-coated BS just doesn't work for us. The evidence is everywhere you look that someone needs to be the 'bad guy' and if it makes you feel better about blaming me, that's fine, as long as we're all getting it done. Look at where we're at, and what we've gotten from trying to be 'fluffy' about this issue. The reason why we keep losing is because as a community, we do not respond quickly enough, which is exactly why the legislature works the way they do. The other reason I do this is because it works. Every time I post another message trying to kick the community into gear, the number of signatures increases. Go figure. Just so that we're all on the same page, Executive Order 145 mandates that the task force be named in thirty days from the signing, which was on the 26th of July. That leaves until the 26th of August. So exactly how long would you suggest we wait, given that we still need to collate the responses, print them out along with the petition and send them in time for them to reach the Governor, Assembly Speaker and Senate President in time? So we can sit around and whine about how I might be a bit abrupt with the message, and wish that we had more time and collect signatures with a clipboard, but that's not how the system works. Our rights are stolen in the dead of night, and the governor isn't going to wait around for us to get off our butts to gather signatures on paper from the local gun clubs. Here is the best thing you can do... Pick up the phone, call the store owners, have them put a petition that people will sign as they walk in. Have a few people this weekend at their range do the same. You will get a better response that way than anywhere else, or any how.

Just to add on to that, You cannot just think that if you put up a link, people will go and do as you say. I understand your feeling and rational behind it, but quite frankly, just putting up a petition online and expecting that everyone will do as you say is just plain flawed. You have to get out there and do it. In fact, you will have a better, easier time, doing it the old fashioned way... get a clipboard, spend a day at the ranges, and talking to people about the issue. At the same time, you cannot play internet bandit and start criticizing people for not caring about gun rights because they did not sign your petition, to which the link didnt work half the time, after 48 hours.

I thought NJCSD.org has over 575 alone?

I am trying to search news articles for it, on the shows webpage... nothing about it.

actually, that is where I think I heard it from.

It was always on.

You never saw that before.? This was pretty big on all of the conservative talk radio shows right after election.

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Read this first before posting, as this will explain 95% of the process. This is an excerpt of an email I sent to someone I met that was interested in getting a handgun.

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that is a ukranian show... um.... yeah. is the guy dead?

its like $280 now. =P

welcome to the forum and NJ. about permits, yes and no. Yes, you need one for each handgun purchase... yes they expire in 90 days, but you can extend them for another 90 days. and oh yeah... sooon... one gun a month.

how could they see if it was a glock 40? I can see carrying with the cz with one in the pipe with the safety on, but hey.... it is what it is. i hope the baby wasnt hurt.

welcome welcome.

with the new requirements.... fbi checks, backgrounds, refrences, and to top it all off 1 officer typically is responsible for all of the permits and FId....... and oh yeah, they typically have other stuff to do... like investigate crimes and stuff. it does suck though. I mean you can sue the town by all means, and you will win the legal battle.... but is it worth it? the 30 day thing is highly difficult to observe. its like if you own a business to repair widgets... and you promise 24 hour return time.... you are the only employee, and all of the sudden you get a surge of repairs. I really do understand it from both sides.

welcome sir.... glad north jersey is building its ranks...

Princeton - Yes Burlington - Yes

I dont know if all, but all of the ones I went to in Central and Southern NJ do. woodbridge does I believe. they dont have handguns, but do have rifles and shotguns, mostly hunting oriented stuff.

So ordered some primers... that means now going to reload. anyone have any suggestions for what powders? Right now going to be reloading mostly 9mm and 45gap. will get into reloading rifle in the future, would love to reload 223 and 7.62x54r. other oddball calibers may be 357 sig.

they also have a bunch of wolf pistol primers... just order 5 boxes.

rifles are ok to shoot. =P