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Or perhaps ITAR issues on top of immigration? If it was ITAR, or specifically ITAR tax not being paid... they would go after the boss, not the employees. We will find out soon enough. But AFAIK, they didn't export their stuff, did they?

Believe me, I am not disagreeing that anyone breaking into your home is a bad idea... I am merely saying that your typical professional thief who is taking the time to cover their face and doing research is not likely to run into you while you are at home, i.e. the guys being discussed here. Anyone uninvited breaking into your home is bad news and should be treated as such. I am saying more than likely, the ones you WILL have to face, face to face, are crack heads OR someone who is out to cause you harm specifically. I still have it... just choosing not to post it. =)

Correct me if I am wrong, but if it was ITARs related, it would not be ICE and it would be Department of Treasury and the Feds, er FBI.

My understanding is correct... Anyone do family transfer? @remixer @JT Custom Guns

Clippazines? My "1911" magazines somehow grew to anywhere from 10+9 to 10+11 as soon as they got across the river to America.

It's the internet... it's never gone... it is likely on the FBI and CIA and Homeland Security servers... for sure.

$3 to $5k to work for $8 an hour? At the same time, the owners of the company can't be stupid... How many total employees do they have? Is it 30 out of 500? Or is it like 30 out of 40? If most of your staff speaks Spanish... and your company makeup looks like a landscaping company... can you really cry "I didn't know"? REALLY REALLY weird. Unless the company owners really believed in immigration.

Remember when you acquired your first firearm? For most gun owners, that time was both exciting and scary! On one hand, you acquired your first handgun and had hopefully gone to the range. At the same time, let's admit it, unless you were in the military, you were at least a LITTLE bit afraid, either of scratching up that shiny new bluing, not being able to put it back together after cleaning, or even leaving it unattended. After a while however, you become accustomed to it and it becomes "yet another gun." Much in the same way, I look at "going to the range." It is the near universal experience of gun ownership. You purchase your gun and then you end up going to the range to shoot at least once or twice a week for the next 3 to 6 months. Every trip is exciting as you become more and more proficient with the gun and discover your passions for different firearms. At some point however you average day in the range goes from 4 or 5 boxes of ammo to a mere social event and 1 or 2 boxes of ammo becomes the norm. Simply put, going to a typical range and standing in a port and shooting at a bullseye or a zombie target was no longer fun or appealing. If you are at the range, it is typically to function check your gun, chrono your loads or just to make sure the gun works and remains rust free after that unfortunate boating accident. This is why I believe in and encourage community members of all experience levels and interests to go out and try some form of matches, whether it is steel matches or one of the practical shooting sports such as IDPA or USPSA. Not only is it fun, but it is also a great way to take your shooting skills to the next level. But what if you can't do that? I recently came across some targets made by REFactor Tactical. The company is a veteran lead business catering to military and civilians, offering products and solutions for on and off the battlefield. One of their solutions is their line of shooting targets which I have come to call "Targets With a Purpose." There are 4 that I have come to really appreciate. The first target is your standard USPSA/IPSC Practice Target. Generally I am a fan of using the thick cardboard targets for nice clean holes and the ability to paste them. This lets you use use the targets for quite a long time. Unfortunately there are a few downsides. First, a pack of 25 or so has some weight and they take up quite a bit of space to store. Secondly, it is not so easy to use the cardboard targets at many indoor ranges. The challenge is, with a cardboard target, you are attaching the head next to the carrier, so unless you want to risk destroying range equipment, a good portion of the target is unusable. The REFactor Tactical target is printed on paper with wide margins. As such, you can easily use them at an indoor range or outside with wider target stands. When it comes to rifles, my favorite target is the Hitman Target. The target comes complete with a grid overlay which is extremely helpful for sighting in a rifle with a new optic. Once dialed in, the left side of the target has bullseye target grids ranging from 1" to 3" boxes. They are great to use for 1 MOA groups out to 300 yards. The right side of the target features similar triangles and a bullseye target on the bottom. Even though it is meant for rifles, this target is also great for handgun training at close ranges. The other two targets are meant for "gun work," or targets designed to work on the fundamentals of shooting. The IQ Target is a full sized target made up of a combination of shapes, colors, numbers and letters. This allows the shooters or instructors to create a variety of shooting problems to solve. IT could be simple as "on command, draw and fire 2 rounds at the Square 2" or "on command, turn, then draw and fire 2 rounds at all of the green circles, reload and fire 2 rounds at all of the blue triangles." To make the IQ target even more effective, REFactor Tactical offers playing cards/shooting decks which contain various exercises ranging from static shooting to more difficult turn, draw, move and reload ones. At a recent range day, I really enjoyed practicing with these targets and the cards. What is quite eye opening for me was finding out that despite not having difficulties with accuracy, I had real issues shooting triangle shapes, typically shooting just below them. Perhaps to make it even more challenging, I practiced with a completely different handgun than I am used to shooting, a Smith & Wesson M&P 9mm versus my go to 1911s and CZ 75 SP01 Shadow Custom. To make it even more interesting, I alternated the magazine between my regular match loads and Speer Gold Dots +P ammo. (Or perhaps I just happened to leave my gun game guns at home and the M&P was the only handgun in the range bag with some ammo.) Finally, the other target that I believe would be of great interest and benefit to gun owners is the Essentials Shooting Target, It is a full sized target of various sized squares and circles, along with a bulls eye. It was designed around a 150 round drill which covers multiple aspects of pistol marksmanship including slow aimed fire, strong and weak hand shooting, target transitions, speed changes, drawing and reloading. You can find the drills in their book, the "Essentials Shooting Guide" or simply create your own drills. Bottom line, these were some of the best targets I have shot in the last 15 years. Factoring in that you are supporting a veteran owned company who produces the targets in the United States at very reasonable prices, there are no reasons why a few of these are not in your range bag for your next trip.

I am not a boxers guy... boxer briefs.... so no. lol. Although IIRC there may be a picture of a certain member posing with a shotgun half naked circling around the interwebs!

Okay, let's not drag it into politics... yet. lol. Legit question, don't manufacturing employees need to go through some background checks if they are working for a gun company? Ala pink card holders for FFL Sales people.

So... how is that for news... An American gun company is raided by ICE for apparently hiring illegals. 30 people taken into custody? Were they that big? Or just merely most of the work force?

Will do, it is a standard duty or rigid belt like CR Speed, Double Alpha, or Safariland and attached to it are mag holders and a holster from like Safariland. These are generally the belt systems that have the soft velcro inner belt, and the rigid outer belt. The Safariland outer belt will hang on to you, even if you are in your underwear by the front metal clips. This is also good if let's say you are starting with your handgun by you, and then eventually get to a rifle or shotgun if you need it. Think about it, unless you are sleeping in your 5.11 tactical pants... you will need a place to carry mags and gun. Far quicker to wrap around a belt with your gear on it than it is to put on pants. The big one for me was... okay... I can carry one daughter in one arm while holding the gun with the other... what if I need to carry them both? So a spare gun games belt outfitted for my 1911 has 5 loaded mags in mag pouches by the bed. With the gun, that is 60 rounds. If I need more... I am f*cked.

One of the best suggestions I heard for this... and what we have. Pick up one of those USPSA rigid belts, complete with a holster and magazine pouches. Have that belt near you somewhere, already loaded with the mags. This way, when you need to go, you have a belt with all of your ammo and a holster. This is critical if say you have a gun but need hands to pick up children, etc. This way you already have a place to put the gun too. IIRC this was @GAPP

Agree 100%! Lets be honest... but don't answer here... how many of us have at one time or another left the back door open? lol. Thieves don't need to break in, it was already open. And just like you said... the pros are not breaking into your home when you are visibly there unless they WANT YOU! And those police blotters... hell of a thing. Living in suburbia, in a "good area," tons of folks just kept their cars and doors unlocked. Heck, my winter beater is outside unlocked right now anyway. lol.

No... am not kidding. Just look at these guys in the video. They were fully covered, did not want to be seen and ran away AS SOON as they saw someone is inside. A Professional thief IS NOT going to break into your home if you are there. A professional thief wants to get in, get out. This is why you leave lights on, have cars in drive way, to give appearance that you are home. Same thing with a dog. Don't get me wrong, if they are breaking into my home, I am reaching for the gun... but I just don't believe they are stupid enough for that. You generally do not have to be worried about these guys. People who break into your home AND DONT CARE that you are home... are the ones that have no issues about hurting you... or themselves, and those guys are the ones I am really concerned about.

I HIGHLY doubt they were carrying weapons. These guys were pro and those pros perfectly well know... If getting caught, it would be a difference between "breaking and entering" vs "Armed Robbery" HUGE differences. If you are home... I would not be too worried about these guys. What I am worried about is a crackhead who needs money for the next fill. THOSE guys would likely have guns.

Just to confirm, are you using factory ammo? Is it round nose FMJ or cop and baby killing hallow points? lol. Can meet you at the range. What I can think of... was if for some reason the round was getting caught up, particularly if you say it is the same round all of the time. I.e. 4th round on a 10 round mag with 10 loaded? Or 4th round on an 8 round loaded mag? =) But once again, typically these are issues if you are using reloaded ammo that was loaded too long for your mags.

Don't forget... whether it is a Mil Spec Lower OR Commercial Colt. Most are Milspec. =P

I think that is the biggest thing that many fail to remember. As @njJoniGuy points out, ALL guns are illegal in NJ EXCEPT... Largely, NJ gun owners are gun owners because they fly under the radar for things. Just look at the M1 Carbine issue... they were declared "legal" until it came to the Attorney General's office and it was then declared illegal. The basic bullet button is splitting too many hairs... much like the whole magazine issue as it referred to "What is permanently modified?" Who wants to be the test case?

Yeah.... The way of how quickly they are showing at mags being changed out.... Prove it to a "common person on a jury". but that is the whole point of NJ laws... there is following the strict letter of the law... and then being "effective" and within intentions of the law.

That reminds me of...

I know that... just did not want to insult the LEO community here. =P It is funny seeing all of the innovation in the "operator" marketplace... were gun toys used in the competitive shooting worlds years ago.

Oh, no doubts! That's my issue with many of the cases that the 2A community in NJ gets behind... Yes, the laws are completely moronic.... BUT... let's be honest, Aitken broke the laws... and so did that woman who drove from PA to NJ with a gun and no CCW. Yes, the laws are stupid... and YES, they can claim they did not know them... but they are the laws.

You would think right? And later to me, thanks to the forum was not surprising once I learned the amount of cops who actually don't care about guns. A friend of mine here used to supply agencies with ammo. Oh the stories of how he went downrange to "check" the targets to score them and had to put holes into the target so that someone would simply pass. Another friend of mine's husband is a cop in NYC... and he HATES GUNS. So not surprising at all... How many rounds are police qualifications anyway? Without a doubt, an average "Interested gun guy/gal" fires more rounds through their guns than a typical local LEO. But is this any different than how many of us own SUVs or Pick Up trucks and NEVER take them off road? =)

I am not saying the rifle is not worth 1,500... but to a typical gun owner walking into any shot... they are not going to be able to tell the difference between the two guns when shooting. Just at the range the other day, someone was shooting hand loads, in a 6.8 spc chambered AR 15... talking about using one brand of bullets versus another..... AT 100 YARDS!. lol. What percentage of AR owners are actually going to shoot more than 500 rounds through their guns? And as it relates to NJ... NOT inside an indoor range? I visited an indoor range here in PA and had a winner tell me that it is great fun to shoot ARs at 25 yards and that when you take them out to 100 or more, they are going to be instantly sighted in. :Facepalm: I would certainly agree that most members here are far more knowledgeable than typical gun owners, but still on average, they are not SWAT, Military, Operators, or 3 gun shooters who can actually recognize the difference and actually say they need something that that LWRC gun provides than a basic AR does not. I suppose that that is like anything else.... one of my favorite series on Youtube is one where professional photographers and videographers are given disposable or otherwise cheap cameras.... and they compare them to $4,000+ setups in the hands of amateurs or "prosumers."