Maksim

Um... what are you talking about? "fully loaded handgun with hollow point bullets " He was transporting a loaded gun.... (Crime 1 in NJ).... and Hollow Points (Add on). Cut and dry. Please find a story where someone was driving and was charged with possession of hollow points when they did not commit ANY OTHER CRIME.

Let's be honest here... let's stop hiding behind specific things. I am not discusing whether magazine limits are stupid or not... but... 1. Was Aitken living in NJ? YES 2. Did NJ have 15 round limits? YES 3. Did Aitken have magazines that were more than 15 rounds? YES. So let's be honest with ourselves... he may not be "Criminally guilty" but he sure as hell was not innocent. EVEN if charges were dropped and he was not charged... he was still breaking the damn law.

Spot on. Love the guns, but the spiral flutes is just too much "boy racer" ... a problem with a lot of new guns lately.

It's popular and they are obviously making good money on them. In reality, in a world where a decent AR is selling for $500... spending 3x as much is tough to justify. When there is a Democrat in the white house, will be a different story.

Wait... so now even the dual powered units are not good enough? And you need to have a sealed unit one instead?

Should be 5 rounds, 5 hits... =) If you cannot hit a man sized target at 10 yards or less, you should not be able to shoot a gun, it is irresponsible. Remember that whole NYC shooting? Guy went into office and killed former co-workers.... NYPD responded and started shooting at the bad guy? Tons of people were hurt.... NONE were from the bad guy and it was all NYPD shooting and missing. Yes I get stress... but this is why you practice practice practice. Maybe it is because I have 2 young girls but the last thing I would want to see happen is me shooting someone innocent. And 7.62x39 AK I am assuming? I highly doubt it was lead bullets and likely surplus or steel cased junk that would easily penetrate any and all walls. Just freaking irresponsible. (and why ALL home defense ammo should be Hallow Points or Frangible).... especially in NJ, screw the potential add on charge... if you have friendlies in the house... I am sure you would rather go to jail for hallow points rather than knowing your FMJ over penetrated and shot/killed spouse, kids, dog, friends, etc. And I am sure very few people actually bother with it. Heck, only reason I became aware of it was years ago talking to a CIA friend discussing how he had the doors/walls of his children's rooms lined with steel plates to protect from over-penetration. When a 7.62x39 can go through thin sheets of plates... WTF is drywall going to do to stop it? lol. Sorry, hijacked this thread.

I would think for the large high volume store... that is all part of the game and you have to accept that it will happen. At the same time, if you are charging stupid high prices near MSRP... merely to justify large overhead... whose problem is it? FFLs, particularly in NJ are a very protected business and I don't think there is enough competition, versus say PA or other free states. Take a look at even gun ranges around. I pay $30 a year for an outdoor range that has a 100 yard outdoor, 25 yard outdoor pistol, hunting grounds and shotgun field. About half of the members are Jersey residents. =P But I digress... Looking at FFLs, even shops around here are typically $25 including PICS for transfers and that is the norm... once again, competition. But I agree, there will always be unreasonable people... i.e. refusing to buy even if you can match the same price as online including tax... BUT I don't think it is fair to complain about someone who comes into the shop and wants to hold a gun, especially if it is a brand new body walking into the store... That is why there are those big showrooms, right? And do large stores, say Cabelas, care as much about the customer as you do? Or value their business? I highly doubt it... I bought guns at both but I get birthday and holiday cards from my local FFLs. And I do agree, if you are a range first... your main priority is the range. But for large FFLs... sorry, if gun stores "in America" can charge fair prices and do really well... with lots of competition, dealing with tire kickers is part of the business. =)

Good stuff, looks great!

So did they ever figure out how the zombies came up/what happened and whether they would actually try to solve the zombie problem? Or is it still a big ass soap opera centered in a Zombie world? Duh... it is all the zombie Sheep that are on the loose that eat the grass!

Um... where would he not been able to defend himself if he was being attacked in his home? I actually have an issue that the gun runs out into the street and starts shooting at a fleeing vehicle... at that point it is no longer "Self defense" and he is just a guy shooting out into the street without any care in the world if he hits neighbors or not.

LOL.... Something tells me this was not a simple case of home invasion. And then the guy runs into the street and starts shooting outside in a city? Wonder if he considered that he would miss and shoot at neighbors across the street. But I am sure he was using frangible ammo? lol. $10 says this was gang/drug related. Gun crowd just wants a story and why it gets reported first... verified later.

@remixer and you have been quite good with this so I am sure you would agree... If you are a big range or transfers are not your thing... but you really have to offer them, you are going to price it high to discourage people from doing so... and nothing wrong with doing it. There are FFLs who are happy to mainly do transfers, and there are FFLs who cater to new gun owners and new sales. Transfers can take time and if you are used to making $100 on a new gun + accessories, or bigger money on rentals and walk ons, pulling someone off of the floor to do a transfer ends up costing them money. Other FFL's I spoke with are more than happy to do cheap transfers because they are looking at getting more foot traffic, etc, in hopes of you coming back one day.

Did you not find out the cost of transfer before sending the lowers there? Or buying from someone else? Ultimately I think it is up to the individual dealers to figure out what they want to be in the business off and how much they care about their members. What I can say is that when I sold my handgun to a forum member, we went through @gunforhire and they absolutely took care of the member (who was a member at the range). If they were not a member? Or you are simply picking an FFL from a list? I have ZERO doubts that a random gun shop, not affiliated with the community would use it as a short term $$$ play with zero care if you come back or not. It is also quite possible they are charging nuisance pricing... much like what many contractors do when they are already busy with work. Realistically... should have been one NICS $15 + transfer... and if on the same form, same time, should not have been much more. PM me what shop/store this was.

Heh, wow, did not realize that they had it out of state too. Sucks, but facts are facts... most of the suicides, at least the ones in Jersey, were solo shooter, rented gun. One exception was the cop with his own weapon.

A proper test or one as per SAAMI specs where you drop it onto a rubber mat? =)

Yes. In that case, go with whatever floats your boat, 1911 or bolt guns. As a supplement they both work. And yes did get PM, will chat later today.

For real? Link?

Keep in mind the media's role in this. Those on the left want to say we had major break through on gun control. (passing 10 round laws) Those on the right, won't pay attention to any logic and scream this out as "gun owners said FU to the state." The real answer as we know, and so would anyone who actually lives in NJ is that most gun owners simply were not aware of the law unless they were actively going to the range, shopping for a new gun, are a forum member here, or are on one of the groups' email lists. So that would be what, 100k? Tops? Out of the 1.2 million gun owners in NJ. Realistically, the way to be effective and inform people would be instructing towns to send out letters to registered FID holders and requiring FFLs to add a notice. Of course, the NJ and National 2A media whores will not be focusing on that. =)

Not sure. I would think reloaded too BUT have seen plenty of squibs with newly manufactured ammo too. WWB comes to mind. But yes... most definitely Squib and then a follow up shot that blew up barrel. Only other thing, but not likely if revolver was lead fouling on a polygonal rifled barrel. Never heard... BUT the "no single unlicensed shooters" is not store policy but one that was mandated by a number of the insurance carriers. You will find that rule at pretty much every NJ range AFAIK.

Unfortunately the market for Glocks, and other plastic fantastic pistols is far far bigger. keep in mind long gun sales are at a 10 year low, despite the Florida shooting. A stock 1911 is good enough out of the box for most people, and again a very small market. so you have to figure out whether you are okay essentially having this as a hobby, in which case nothing wrong with 1911 and bolt guns, or you may want to consider working on guns where there is a need, ie glocks, sigs, ars.

Heh, did not even look up the costs. What do they go for nowadays?

AR. We can discuss via PM if you want.

@Bully Quite welcome. The thing with IG is that it is good for exposure but not much of it turns into business. If you want to have your product sold... you just need to have a magazine/site like Recoil do a feature... or one of the big youtubers. Unfortunately, that will cost you about $30k merely to get on their calendar. I use guys like Taran and Shay Akai as good examples... they lived their nich... USPSA/3 Gun... started growing in that market, sponsoring events, etc... and then used that to propel themselves upwards. For other companies I am friends/consulting with... they have damn great products... but not budgets to carve out any meaningful marketshare. Looking specifically into NJ, there is at least one manufacturer here, on the smaller scale, that has a seemingly great product... but it may not matter unless they dedicate into investing in the brand.

Great topic. So I think this will also depend on... "Why are you getting your FFL?" Is it to make money as a dealer/distributor? Or are we talking FFL 07 where you mostly build/manufacture? The two are going to require vastly different focuses. You also have to consider where you are going to be. Is it in NJ? If so, assuming most of your initial clients are friends/family/forum members, there are far more 1911 folks than F class shooters. After all, not that many places where you can really stretch your legs. In either case, both of those markets are fairly limited. You are really thinking SVI, AKAI type shops. High price, low volume. The alternative is like Zev... where you produce mods and want to sell as many as possible. Again two different models. The other thing is, while specializing is good, you also don't want to pigeonhole yourself IF you plan on growing bigger. What I can tell you is companies like ZEV are pushing and spending A LOT of money to get out of the "Zev = Glock" idea that is burned into everyone's head. Lastly... depending on your goals, it will take A LOT of money to start building recognition unless you are okay being known as a boutique type guy within a small circle that 99% of shooters will never even known about. The thing of it is, if you are good at what you do, partner with others who are great at what you suck at. Being a solo guy in the gun business sucks and merely due to my nature of covering the gun business for national media, I have run into many smaller gun start ups who have amazing ideas, great products... but are unfortunately obscure. To get exposure... you need A LOT of money. So the alternative is... are you ready to get into the trenches and do some guerrilla marketing? If so... then when are you going to have time to build the guns?

@Ray Ray I honestly don't know as I am not familiar with the P-07. CZ reps I spoke with at the show did mention that the new magazines that will be coming out will be backwards compatible with the first gen P10C... so I am assuming they will work on the P-07 too. Great question though!