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I may be able to do that. Wife's Bday is the week before, so I may have to bribe her. Or get her to come with me!

I jumped on the wait list. A bit late I know, but was hoping to get in. Has another class been scheduled yet?

Came out this morning. Here's the Opinion: https://dl.airtable.com/.attachments/6d809a9cc6fddb883f29559e63a83234/94d604dc/DuncanvBecerraOpinion.pdf Yay CA! The panel affirmed the district court’s summary judgment in favor of plaintiffs challenging California Government Code § 31310, which bans possession of largecapacity magazines (“LCMs”) that hold more than ten rounds of ammunition; and held that the ban violated the Second Amendment. The panel held that Cal. Penal Code § 32310 did not survive strict scrutiny review. First, the panel held that the state interests advanced here were compelling: preventing and mitigating gun violence. Second, the panel held that Section 32310 was not narrowly tailored to achieve the compelling state interests it purported to serve because the state’s chosen method – a statewide blanket ban on possession everywhere and for nearly everyone – was not the least restrictive means of achieving the compelling interests.

I'm probably going with one of these. Apparently the 2.25" according to KVP is legit to take 14.5 to just over 16.1, but availability is scarce, so I might end up doing the 3.25 incher. I already have a rifle with a loud ass break, and was looking to do one that was a little less blasty. https://www.kawvalleyprecision.com/category-s/151.htm

Thanks guys. Does anyone know if the KVP standard linear comp is long enough to make a 14.5" barrel a legal 16"? Or if I go KVP do I need to go magnum 3.25" (the obvious "safe" answer). The standard KVP is 2 1/8". Doing the math and assuming .625" subtracted for the threading, that puts it right at 16". Pushing it pretty close it seems. https://www.kawvalleyprecision.com/KVP-Linear-Compensator-p/kvp-linear-blk.htm Just wondering if anyone's built a rifle with this one and measured.

@Zeke & @fishnut Thanks guys, do you mind posting a link to the BCM and SureFires you used? @JT Custom Guns I've seen you referenced on here multiple times for quality gunsmithing. I may have a job for you soon! I have a barrel on order, just need to decide what to weld to the end and order that too.

Thanks. I've looked at that one too. I've seen this setup too, which is getting pricey. https://www.tacticallink.com/griffin-armament-vg6-precision-cqb-blast-shield-kit.html Actually, this is the one I saw, which isn't nearly as hard on the wallet: https://www.wingtactical.com/firearm-parts/ar-15/muzzle-devices/vg6-cage-blast-diffuser-device-for-gamma-epsilon-muzzle-devices/

I'm looking for suggestions on a NJ legal muzzle device that can be pinned and welded to a 14.5" barrel (1/2-28 TPI) to get to 16+ inches. I'm leaning towards a KVP or something along the lines of a linear comp vs. a brake. Let me know what you guys have experience with and recommend. Also, it is helpful if you know for sure it'll add the necessary length to reach 16 inches, but I appreciate any suggestions. I can always do math or hound the manufacturer to find out. Also, a second question I'm sure some of you here will be able to answer. I've seen some muzzle devices that are titanium. Can a typical gunsmith weld a titanium device to a steel barrel? I know very little about welding, but it seems like that might be more challenging if not something that can't be done easily. It is however something I might consider to keep the weight at the end of the muzzle down if it's an option.

To Cabela's credit. I got a response from their customer service. To be honest, I can't blame a corporation for wanting to be sure they cover themselves legally. However, we'll have to wait and see if they actually put the effort into updating their website to accommodate processing ammo orders for states that require a permit to purchase ammo. Unless I'm completely wrong about this, and there is nothing legal to prevent a company out of state selling and shipping ammo to any NJ resident. I've ordered ammo myself from other sites that did allow me to upload from FID. Hello and thank you for contacting Cabela's Product Information Department, Right now we are working on a new website and ordering system and if you are on it there are some limitations. One of those limitations has to do with states that require licenses or permits to purchase ammo, Illinois and Connecticut are in the same situation. The new website and ordering system is not allowing that right now. I know it is being looked into I just do not have a time frame to give you on when or if they will be able to fix it or get it changed. We are in the business of selling outdoor gear so it isn't that we don't want to it is is that we cannot do correctly at this time. Have a great day. Thank you for visiting cabelas.com. Sincerely, Matt G Product Information

Both. Better. Understandably this may be necessary to cover them legally. They are a large enough corporations with corporate attorneys. That's better than not fighting at all. This is one of the reasons I stated above, if I notice a vendor state anywhere that they won't ship to a "restricted" state I don't do business with them. I wish all American gun owners would behave that way, but a lot just see states like NJ as a lost cause and figure if you don't like it you can move. Which frankly, I understand the sentiment, but that's just not how life works. If you can't support your fellow Americans in exercising their rights l then I honestly have to question how American are you really. Hopefully others here will contact Cabela's stating their opinion (which I did), and as many people in restricted states as possible will boycott Cabela's. From their website: Ammunition is restricted from sale to CT, IL, MA, NJ, NY, New Orleans, LA, and Washington DC.

They should drop that to $1,600 per person in one swoop. Buy each council member a Glock + a holster and 500 rounds of ammo + send them to a defensive pistol course. Now you're on your own. Done.

I have an LTT + JM Custom Kydex holster. It ain't a perfect fit, but my Brig with the non-rail frame fits (sort of) if I loosen the retention screws. The holster holds it plenty secure and covers the trigger. I've wondered the same thing though. I suspect an M9 / 92FS holster (non-railed) fits the Brigadier slide okay, but I hadn't gotten around to ordering one yet. I looked a little, but haven't seen many holster makers giving you Brigadier slide as an option. I'd think it's fairly common since a lot of the WC 92's are Brigs. Let me know what you find out! That Brigadier is such a chunky little pig!

That's unfortunate if this is true. I try to avoid buying anything from vendors that flat out state they will not sell or ship perfectly legal items to states with restrictions. Some vendors will state no CA and NY, but NJ is fine. I still skip those and move on to someone else. I find it appalling when a vendor that sells anything firearms related is willing to shoot the 2A community in the foot.

My guess is somewhere on YouTube. That sling looks like something that would madden me... lol. But I'm not too opposed if you've already put the money out. I'd just run it as a two point and forget about the option for a single point. Sounds like a nice to have, but I can't see the need to switch between the two myself.

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure any rifle coming into NJ must be NJ compliant. If it isn't compliant, you can still take possession from your father of it and bring it into NJ assuming you make the required changes to it to make it compliant (verify you don't have too many "evil" features, i.e. pin and weld a compliant muzzle break, pin the collapsible stock, remove bayonet lug, etc)... I forget the legality of family transfers across state lines, but I'm pretty sure it'll need to go through an FFL per federal guidelines. For what I anticipate to be a lite, reliable high quality AR I'd suggest the Brownell's WWSD complete rifle. You can pre-order now, and from what I understand they should start to ship in July - August. You'll just have to pin and weld a NJ compliant brake. I'm personally waiting on a couple of WWSD lowers for some new projects. https://www.brownells.com/guntech/wwsd2020/detail.htm?lid=17958 Laugh all you want about the polymer lower, but I'm going to give it a run! Ian and Karl at InRangeTV put their predecessors through the ringer a couple of years ago and were pretty happy. I've had this type of build on my radar for awhile. I think the rifle will check all the boxes for what you described, light, minimalistic, and hopefully reliable. I say "hopefully" reliable, only because Brownell's is putting them together, and some of their reproduction rifles have been reported to have a few issues. From what I've heard they do stand behind their products. I can't speak to that myself, but someone here may have personal experience.

I did a NICS check last week on 6/17, came back on 6/19. Picked up my property before close of business 6/19.

Oh, also, I will add that you really can't go wrong with any of the major brands, and even some of the "budget" brands seem to make fairly decent quality stuff. But definitely settling on any of the major manufacturers like Glock, Sig, Walther, H&K, Beretta, CZ, S&W or Ruger you hardly can go wrong. The biggest risk in reliability would be in a newer model from any manufacturer that hasn't been on the market as long and had a chance for all the kinks to be worked out. And to Pizza Bob's point, you can't go wrong with an S&W revolver. It is 1970 right?

I'd also suggest a full size for your first gun, personally because they tend to be easier to learn to shoot with. And honestly, it isn't such a big deal to conceal a full size gun as people seem to make it out to be. I can conceal a full sized Beretta in a good holster without a problem. But, like others have said, conceal carry in NJ is not likely in the cards for most of us, so it makes even more sense for a full size pistol as a first. That said the Glock 19 or anything in the "C" (Compact) size range is a good balance between small enough to conceal easy, plus big enough to shoot as well as a full size pistol. I haven't held or fired one, but there's now a Glock 48 which is similar in profile to a G19, but slimmer I think. People use the Glock 19 as a solid reference point because they are so common, but there are a lot of pistols that are similar in size, weight and capacity (albeit your capacity in most 9mm pistols will be neutered in NJ).

There isn't a restricted handgun list in NJ that I'm aware of at all, so any pistol under 50oz. should be legal here. That's assuming we are talking about your typical auto loader or revolver of course, and not something "scary" looking with banned features. The Masada does not fall into that category. Mag capacity may be an issue, but you could buy the pistol and find mags later (although that'll cost you more and you'll be with a non-functional pistol in the meantime). There's at least one Masada 10+1 on gunbroker.

Congrats!

That sounds like a good reason to start another build. Twist my arm why don't you!

I looked through the calendar here and I know some of the ranges have different events planned, but I figured I'd ask here and since I'm sure some of you must be aware of upcoming events. Are there any 2 or 3 gun matches planned in the area this summer?

If you can take people up on their offers to let you shoot their pistols, and / or go to a range with rentals and try several including some you didn't think you'd like or maybe have zero interest in now. You can get a bit of a feel for a pistol by picking it up, holding it and pulling the trigger. But the only real way to know is to try shooting it. True story. When I first started getting into shooting I had zero interest in Glocks. They just seemed boring, they didn't look as elegant or cool and didn't have as many cool switches and levers and things to play around with. Snore... I was also all about .45 ACP back then because I just didn't know any better.... oh wait, that's another topic. Anyways, I tried a bunch of pistols. 1911s, M&Ps, Sigs, Ruger, CZ... all the top brands. I even made a few purchases. Finally a year or so into my adventure I rented a G21 and shot it. Maybe it was that particular gun, but I shot so well with it I had to have one. I remember putting a giant ragged hole in the target with the first magazine. I still to this day cannot figure out why, but I can usually just shoot a Glock really effectively. Not that I can't shoot other stuff well, it's just Glocks always seem to surprise me. I carried a G32, then moved into a G19 for most of my 3.5 years in a free state, and every time I shot either of them was surprised at how well I could shoot them. I mean they are blocky and have that spongyish trigger, has dorky sites on it.... the list goes on! From a table top dry fire perspective I never would have even considered one. My point isn't that you should get a Glock. My point is take the opportunity to go shoot a bunch of guns and find one you like best before making a final decision. You probably wouldn't buy a car just because it looks great and the seats are comfortable. You'd want to test drive it. There are a lot of really great guns on the market. You might be surprised by what you learn, and save yourself the headache of finding out you're not crazy about something you spent your hard earned money on.

I agree, those are both very attractive reasons to do an "other". Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you can attach a flash hider on an other as well? That made me crazy too... is it a flash hider or a muzzle break? Who the eff cares!!! Oh yeah the NJ government. The Troy A4 is pretty darn cool. At least we don't have to deal with this in NJ:

Just thought I'd throw my 2 cents in on this topic. I fully support your effort to build what I would call a NJ legal "FU NJ Gun Law" pistol / other, or whatever thingamajig lead thrower it falls into under the law. I went through this recently as well as I had a stripped lower sitting around collecting dust. After much agonizing research and going back and forth on trying to somehow cleverly get under 50 ounces for a pistol (which was more of a philosophical exercise to be honest since I didn't purchase the lower originally as a pistol). I then contemplated the "other" configuration, which just seemed wrought with potential pitfalls. That's not to say it can't be done, but just seemed too troublesome. After that I moved onto a 14.5" barreled rifle with a pin and welded NJ legal muzzle device to reach 16 inches. I finally decided to just go with a simple rifle build with a 16 inch barrel. Once I took a step back and really considered everything it came down to this. What was I getting out of a pistol or other build, and what did I get out of having the shortest rifle barrel I possibly could? If I was in a non-AWB-ban state, it might make more since because I could SBR it later. I might be able to get a fairly compact maneuverable yet "blasty" AR of some sort. At the end of the day though I'm pretty happy with the config I ended up landing on and it's completely NJ legal not to mention NFA compliant, and pretty damn practical. 16 inches isn't that long and makes for a very handy rifle size. I kept mine a little shorter by getting a 16 inch target crown barrel. I plan to enjoy shooting it more than I probably would have a pistol or other (Not that those aren't fun!). I'm still finding the time to finish assembling but I'll try to remember to post pics once I do. Now that ranges are starting to open up I need to so I can get out and shoot it! Sorry, that was sort of off topic to your original question, but it seemed the thread had sort of veered off in this direction.