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Gotcha, I was just going by what was in the article. If it is appealed to the State's Supreme Court does that mean that ruling would only apply to their state (ie no nationwide implications)? Even if the basis is on federal law and Bruen?

Now waiting appeal to Supreme Court. This would most likely be a good thing. This would knock down any other new "assault weapon" bans and registry schemes in states outside the 5th Circuit.

What about in a handgun safe that is cabled to the car? That is what we are talking about here. Ie, not leaving it loaded just in the glove box or wrapped up in a towel under the seat. Securely stored in a metal handgun safe that has a safety cable securely mounted to the car?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/missouri-gun-law-ruled-unconstitutional/ar-AA18n7rf ruling the law violates the Constitution’s Supremacy Clause, which deems federal provisions the “supreme law of the land” that trump state laws. This could be used to fight any state restrictions on our 2A rights. Also can be used against Sanctuary Cities as well as not prosecuting people for felonies.

It seems like number 2 would allow you to store a loaded handgun in locked box out of plain sight?

Are these not considered hollow points?

You do need to read the updated rule. Ignore anything you knew prior to 1/13/2023. Prior to 1/13/2023 only braces where effected. Now any accessory that "increases the rear surface area" that can be shouldered COULD potentially (read almost certainly will) make it an SBR. I'm not sure why you think that if you remove the brace it is still an SBR in the eyes of the Fed or NJ. The ATF has said several times that removing the pistol brace will make it legal. A pistol brace was never required to make an Other an Other. Requirements for an Other: 1) Must be over 26" 2) Must have a vertical front grip to show it was designed to be used with 2 hands 3) Must never have had a stock on it. The pistol brace on an Other was a loop hole to allow you to add a useful accessory on your firearm. It was never a required accessory for an Other to be considered an Other. Just remove the pistol brace (which is now considered a stock) and you still have a legal Other. ATF says so. In fact most NJ gun stores just removed the brace on their Others and are still selling those firearms as Others.

That's basically what I was getting at. Can the gun be loaded with one in the chamber inside the gun safe in your locked car while you are visiting a restricted place?

I've seen many stores selling the Others without the brace.

Lehigh County process: Drive to their Sherriff's office in Allentown and fill out their form and they make a copy of your NJ ID and NJ CCW permit. Pay $20 CASH and have your picture taken. A week later they mail you your PA LTC. No other BS. https://www.lehighcounty.org/Departments/Concealed-Carry-Permit

I did. Considered it. Can't have the folding stock version of that in NJ though. I'd actually really like a shorter barrel version (~10.5") of the Ruger that comes in at under 50oz (sans stock) so that it can be a legal pistol in NJ. A semi-automatic pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least two of the following: (1) An ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip; (2) A threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer; (3) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles the barrel and that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the non-trigger hand without being burned; (4) Manufactured weight of 50 ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded; and/or (5) A semi-automatic version of an automatic firearm; and

Is that 5" brake pinned and welded?

Exactly so STOP trying to apply Aitken to this situation of the OP who IS traveling from one home to another!

It does not say only from place of purchase to home. They are legal for purchase and possess in your home or on land owned by you. They are legal to possess and use at a gun range. They are also legal to possess while traveling to and from such places. If you own a home and you also own land at a separate location, they are legal to possess while traveling to and from such places. If you own 2 homes, they are legal to possess while traveling to and from such places. Do you have ANY OTHER example other than Aiken (in which the sentence was commuted and he was pardoned)?

If you use a pistol safe that is secured inside the passenger compartment of the vehicle, where do you store the magazine(s)? Can the magazines be inside the safe with the handgun but not inserted into the handgun? Can a magazine be inside the gun? One in the chamber (assuming gun is inside a holster in the safe)?

You are missing the point. Aiken did NOT get in trouble because he had them while moving. Read that again. It is legal to possess HP if you are travelling from one home to another. It says so right on the NJ State Police FAQ website. Please show me the law that specifically states that you cannot possess HP ammo when moving. Also please email the NJ State Police and let them know that their website is wrong. That you cannot actually travel from one home to another with HP ammo. Firearms Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ's) | New Jersey State Police (nj.gov) I’m not a police officer, are hollow points legal for me to possess? Yes. They are legal for purchase and possess in your home or on land owned by you. They are legal to possess and use at a gun range. They are also legal to possess while traveling to and from such places. Ammunition lacking a hollow cavity at the tip, such as those with a polymer filling, are not considered to be hollow point ammunition. An example of this can be seen with the Hornady Critical Defense / Critical Duty, Cor-Bon PowRball / Glaser Safety Slug and Nosler Inc. Defense ammunition.

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Would love something like this in 5.7 that is still pistol grip fed.

Whys is that? Going from one residence to another of from your residence to a gun range is a legal exemption to the rule. Same as going to the range with them. Could you get in trouble with a overzealous cop/prosecutor/da? Sure, but that applies with anything gun related, even if what you are doing is 100% legal.

Agree. If you read the Wiki, the judge purposely did not tell the jurors of the of the exemptions and Christie ended up commuting his sentence and eventually pardoning him. That judge should have been disbarred.

Find a range on the way that is out of NJ and print directions. Since its a multi-day trip, you can say you are making the best of it and stopping at as many ranges along the way. Only way they can prove you aren't going there is to follow you out of state. Or just obey all traffic laws to the letter until you are out of NJ. Also with that much stuff, pack it up so you can't tell what it is and put it at the bottom. Don't give them a reason to search your car. Then they'd have to get a hollow point sniffing dog to find it.

Has anyone gotten their PA LTC permit from either Lehigh or Monroe PA counties? Monroe you can email the form. Can you do the same for Lehigh? Monroe requires paperwork notarized by NJ CCW issuing authority. Mine was issued by county court. It will take forever if I need to have them send something notarized back. Does Lehigh have that same requirement? Does Lehigh mail out the LTC permit, or do you have to go back there to pick it up?

Can and admin fix the title of this thread so it can be searched and found. Lots of good info in this thread that should not be deleted.

The most common out of state permits are Utah and FL. You can do both at the same time. Just need to pay for the extra set of prints for FL. FL just adds FL. So if you will never travel to FL, you probably don't need it. Also there is a good chance they will be going to permitless carry soon, but who knows when and what that will look like. That said, the FL permit is good for 7 years. My recommendation would be that if you are getting Utah and they offer FL at the same time, pay the extra ~$25 for it. I don't think it would be worth it to get FL on its own.

A PA LTC permit is good for all of PA. It is a Non-Resident PA permit though. Many states that require permits, do not honor non-resident permits or do not honor resident permits that do not reciprocate with them. NJ does not reciprocate with any state. In the list above of states that shows where you can carry, most of those are constitutional carry states meaning you don't even need a PA or NJ permit to carry in those states. If you want to be able to carry in the most states possible with the least amount of permits, get a Utah Carry Permit. Many LGS offer the Utah CCW course which is super easy.