JRT

I like how everyone on here counts days and pounds their chest like they are actually going to do anything about any of these delays and/or processes. You have lived in NJ for years if not your whole life and if it were not for some BALLER from NY taking his case all the way to SCOTUS, you’d still be grumbling how it sucks not to be able to carry in NJ. STFU and wait your turn.

NJSA 2C:39-5e(1) NJSA 18A:37-7 in my experience, the only people who get written permission are dist. employed armed security guards. Anyone else would have to pass the scrutiny and approval by the BOE and their attorney.

Born/raised in SJ, I worked for Metro-Dade PD in the 1990s (Miami) and I had a letter from the NJSP stating I was not permitted to carry in NJ when I was home unless I was on official PD business. The same went for Philly/PA cops who would get done work late and shoot down to the Jersey Shore speeding in uniform on the ACE and the troops would ask them if they could take a look in trunk - of course they said NO.

well let’s take a look. Can you carry at federally regulated areas like airports and court bldgs? no. Arizona? can’t carry in schools, liquor stores or any posted place. Kentucky? bars, liquor stores, and some government bldgs. North Dakota, no bars, liquor stores, or state bldgs. all 25 states have some sort of restriction. Constitutional Carry does not = unrestricted carry.

i am told NONE have been issued in Atlantic. The first batch of hearings are tomorrow before Judge D’Arcy - and will continue every Thursday.

what exactly do you find unacceptable? anyone should be able to carry a gun onto a military base or into a superior court building? to a giants game section 222, row 6 at metlife? Some guy who has an “official” clean criminal and mental history check, fancies himself a good shot after hitting 42 of 50 rounds on a Q target - has a second amendment right to strap on a gun and go anywhere he wants, anytime he wants? There are reasonable limits to everything in a civilized society.

I share an office with a permitted RPO - showed him this list. He seems to think RPO have the same restrictions - with the exception of #8 & #9 - he thinks they are permitted to carry in bars, nightclubs - but cannot partake - i.e. #10.

In my OPINION, if this even happened as stated, it was because this gentleman already had an investigative file on him with the county PO that contained questionable information --- in my OPINION, there is no way any county PO in NJ has the time and/or resources to do a deep dive like this for several hundred applicants in 30-35 days.

someone called over there last week and was told no one has been issued. they are in a pile 200 deep. Judge D’Arcy is supposed to start issuing 10/6 and then every Thursday until caught up. Mine was brought over 9/9 and my MO was cashed 9/15.

I don't think anyone has ever said you should have a permit in your hand within 60 days. If you read the statute (N.J.S.A. 2C:58-4), you submit your application to the local chief of police (or local NJSP barracks if you don't have a PD or are from out of State). The investigation by that agency must be complete and your application denied for cause or forwarded to the County Superior Court for approval within 60 days. Some say the 60 day clock starts when you submit the application to the agency, some say the clock starts once your fingerprint results are delivered to the agency and your application is truly complete. Once it arrives at the court, most are provided to the County Prosecutor's Office for review. Once the PO has no objection, the court typically issues the permit. If there are any hiccups, the judge can hold a hearing. There is a JAD court directive #06-19 (not a law or reg) that judges should review permit to carry applications submitted at least once every 30 days. A PO should state any objections they have within 14 days, and a permit should be issued or denied with 30 days. In theory, the process should take no more than 90 days, start to finish, notwithstanding "extraordinary circumstances." While I am sure the "system" suspected this as coming, they weren't officially notified until June 24, 2022. As a result, the system, from the local PD to the Judge, had previously dealt with a small handful of permit applications - mostly from armored car guards and security officers who presented with a letter of need. I don't think it is unreasonable for these agencies to develop new systems to handle the influx of permit applications flooding the system. Be patient, calling and complaining is not going to get them processed any quicker - they know what they need to do.

I don’t know for sure, but the words “caught up” made me think yes, otherwise they could do them all in one day?

ATLANTIC COUNTY UPDATE 9/21/2022 Judge assigned to admin/issue carry permits: Honorable Pamela D'Arcy 609-402-0100 ext 47420 fax: 609-826-7034 Atlantic County Criminal Courthouse 4997 Unami Boulevard, 2nd Floor Mays Landing, NJ 08330 200 +/- apps at the court 156 have GPA numbers ( GPA - ATL - 000 - 22 ) The balance (+/- 44) are incomplete in some way and will be sent back to applicant for corrections "Hearings" every Thursday until caught up, starting 10/6/22

I just spoke to a Det. Sgt. from a Cape May County Municipal PD who has processed 10-15 in his town. He told me, "WHAT HE HEARD" (not gospel) was that for Atl. & CMC, the judges don't want to look at them and approve them - so what they are doing is having a clerk make a pile and once they hit 60 days or 90 or whatever it is, they are going to approve by default, not review and approve. He speculated that this might somehow give the judge an "out" if something goes down with the permit holder - i.e. Judge can say "I didn't review and approve it, It was automatically approved statutorily pursuant to N.J.S.A. 2C:58-4c." This is what he said - I am not stating this as fact !

ATLANTIC COUNTY - I contacted my PD today (Absecon) was told they sent over a batch of apps to the Court on Friday, 9/9 including mine. It was day 65 for me - Not bad, all things considered. Fingers crossed it comes back in a timely.

They told me if you are already in their system, i.e. were fingerprinted for something else by them, they "archive" your results and it takes 24-28 hours.

I think they are looking for advice on how to restrict civilian conceal carry holders to the fullest extent possible, they are not looking for advice on how to streamline the process of issuing permits.

The RPO is a result of HR218, a Federal Law. It specifically exempts LEO from state and local laws. As a non-LEO, we are still subject to the State of NJ laws, which require judicial review and issue https://www.njspba.com/web_content/pdf/downloads/National-Right-to-Carry-Law-FAQ.pdf

Live in NJ - I work in Philly from time to time - have Act235 and CCW in PA. I am "supposed" to keep my firearm in PA, I guess a locker at the range or at a friend's home??? Not supposed to travel from my home in NJ to PA with the firearm. When I do, I have it properly locked in the trunk as per NJ law. When I get to PA, I transfer my firearm to the passenger compartment, and then holster-up in my car - no one is the wiser. I certainly don't agree with any in-vehicle limitation or any other restriction of our rights, but you can certainly holster-up once you get to your destination discreetly.

Day 56? (Atlantic County) I politely e-mailed my dept records bureau for status update…. this was the response:

I've read all the back & forth on this during the day and I want to make the following comments of the laundry list of restrictions that judge put on the guy's permit: (1) A lot of those places you should not carry. I know no one in here likes the mention of another state, but I have had a FL W CCW since 1994. Down there you are restricted from carrying at most of those same places and I am OK with it. Buffalo Wild Wings doesn't want people (including active LEO) to carry in their establishment - then f$#* them - their wings suck anyway. Remember that kid who took out the gunman at the mall at the food court a few months back? That mall was posted no weapons, and you see how that turned out - people will carry where they feel they should carry. IMHO, most LEO aren't going to hassle anyone unless you are doing something stupid. (2) Not being able to carry in your car is ridiculous. I don't know the circumstances, but I do know a guy who got a permit to carry about a year ago, with a letter of need, to get his SORA RED card to SPECIFICALLY work armed security at the gate of a military installation for a federal contractor. He had similar wording on his permit. It basically specified that the gun had to be kept at the work post, and if for some reason he had to take it off-site, it had to be in truck locked, without ammo. As a footnote, Class II Police Officers also must leave their dept. issued firearms at the PD, and they have had to go to and rom work unarmed, unless they had RPO.

Day 50 - Not a peep. Money order not cashed, no one contacted.

I don't think that's too much of a hassle - make a copy and put it in your car. Is it 1 page? shrink it down and laminate it - not joking! Anyone with a CDL has to carry their medical cert. with them when driving - my doc gives me a miniature one. I have a FL carry - I make sure I have the PA reciprocal agreement with me when I am in PA.

agreed. I have several friends who are RPO who are also SORA red card holders. They qualify differently for each. When the AG memo came out, the next day, I made an appointment to do the "RPO" qual, with a range on the list, I was told they could not give the RPO qual unless I was indeed a RPO - he showed me the NJSP form, and said he could not complete it for a non-RPO.

it was Absecon.