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True, that stuff happens as I said. Most police will tell you in such a situation you can pull over in a "safe place". I only skimmed it over but IIRC Oklahoma has it written in the statute a motorist can wait to pull over in a "safe place". You have to consider the likelihood of something happening. If you get pulled over and they rob you they will be likely be charged with robbery in NJ. . If they steal your car they will be charged with carjacking. Someone like HE or Bluelinefish who's much more current on NJ law is more than welcome to correct me if I'm wrong. When there are cretins out there pulling people over with a red light it's pretty well publicized in the news. But those stats that occur will be buried in other robberies in NJ. They will be counted in stats for liquor stores and bodegas that get robbed. Same with home invasions. No specific statute for that. Carjacking is different. NJ has a specific statute for that. According to NJSP 2015 23rd Annual Carjacking Report (yeah not that new of a crime) 5 counties (Camden, Essex, Hudson, Mercer, and Union) had 180 of the 186 carjackings in NJ in 2015. 138 of them were in Essex. Compared to 379 carjackings in 2011 those 5 counties accounted accounted for 364 of them. Essex had 277 that year. Most counties had none. If you stay out of Essex County you cut your odds of being carjacking tremendously. If you stay out of those 5 counties your chances of being carjacking is nil.

A quick search showed that Oklahoma requires marked cars for routine traffic enforcement. Doesn't say you don't have to stop for an unmarked car though.

Okay, first of all you will never be pulled over by the CIA or NSA. State and local guys can use unmarked cars. They don't have to be "clear and open". Some PDs have policies where they don't use unmarked cars for traffic enforcement. That doesn't mean one of their unmarked cars can't stop you for a traffic violation. FBI, USSS, USMS, HSI, USPIS, IRS, National Marine Fisheries Service, and all Federal investigative agencies all use unmarked cars equipped with lights and sirens. They don't do traffic enforcement but you have to stop for them. Some Federal agencies have unique search authority. CBP, HSI, USBP, some DEA agents, and any state or local with cross designation as a Customs Officer can search your vehicle or even you without PC if certain conditions are met. Many of these conditions can be met anywhere, even NJ. When it comes to boats the same applies to commissioned, warrant, and petty officers. There have been incidents in more rural states where some cretin would put on a red light, make people stop because they thought he was a cop, and rob them. This is not as widespread as some think but it has happened. War story. When I worked in AZ in the 70s one night I wanted to stop a car going north from the border Not for a MV violation. I'm in plainclothes and an unmarked pickup. Put on my red light, they keep going. Tap my siren, they keep going. When I was on a local pd I had drunks that did this for awhile. This was in the desert. Literally nothing for over 20 miles in each direction. This guy kept driving a 55 mph. Didn't try to get away. I called ahead to the Sheriff's Office for an assist, they sent a marked car south, and after following this guy for 10 miles with my red light on he finally stopped for the marked SO car. Turned out they didnt do anything. Old guy and his wife who were afraid they were going to be robbed. The deputy and I both told them they did the right thing under those circumstances. Incidents of this type were not unusual when I worked in AZ.

Best account is Gordon Prange's book "Miracle at Midway". He also wrote "At Dawn We Slept" the lead in to Pearl Harbor and several other books on WW2. All worth a read. They are the authorative works on Pearl Harbor AFAIC. I became very familiar with them when I did an Indications and Warnings study on Pearl Harbor when I was at Fort Huachuca.

I also have a August 1942 Life magazine with Ensign George Gay on the cover. Military history buffs know who he is. Use Google for the rest of you.

Many overlook the significance of Midway. The credit for knowing it was going to happen belongs to what we would today call a nerdy code breaker. Bull Halsey was laid up so we had our second choice carrier group commander ran it. Our carriers had to make repairs while underway as they were returning from the Battle of the Coral Sea. When you look at the numbers we sent vs the Japanese we should have lost. Yet we smeared them. Inflicted casualties on the Japanese way more than might be expected. How's that for what someone referred to in another post as "American Exceptionalism".

Since Remington came out with the flex tab conversion in the 80s and made it standard I can't think of any gun related problems with 870s. I remember exactly one that broke in about 30 years of being a LE firearms instructor. I used to require my people to clean the barrel after quals and training and wipe the big chunks off. A total clean once a year or if the gun was dropped in the mud, soaked in the rain, dropped in the water, or something like that. FWIW I read a post by a guy in another forum who has been using a 870 to shoot clays for some time. Can't remember what was the stimulus for this (maybe something broke) he figured out his round count. He referred to a log he keeps and he had at least 50,000 rounds through the gun. I'm not condemning Mossbergs as I have little experience with them. If Mossbergs were junk they wouldnt sell as many as they do. Just relating my experience with 870s.

No doesn't hurt. If you report it there will be a record made of it. The statute of limitations for most Federal felonies is 5 years. I've made cases where I arrested the guy and discovered other crimes still within the statute of limitations and managed to get the guy charged for those crimes. Maybe the evidence wasn't that strong in the past cases. The defendant has to ask the question, "do I want to go to trial and maybe get 20 years or do I plead out to one count and get 5". Okay he doesn't do all the time he deserves but he does do time. Federal sentencing guidelines are structured by the seriousness of the crime, the defendant's role in the crime, if he pleas out at what stage does he plea out, what help he gives the prosecution, and other factors. I had a case where I had four defendant's all equally culpable. I did my homework and had evidence to impeach one defendant's testimony. At the end they got 30, 20, 10, and 5 years. The guy did a lot to get 5 years.

I'm not saying not to contact Feds. However don't be disappointed if nothing becomes of it.

See my post above. All Federal LE agencies are understaffed for all the Federal crimes committed. Postal Inspectors areally no different. If you conduct an investigation and have enough to arrest a guy (always best to get warrant if you have time) you have to clear prosecution through the US Attorney. If the US Attorney declines prosecution that's the end of it. Now at times a Fed can take his case to local prosecutors but they are usually a lot busier than the US Attorney. Also Feds are not there to enforce state law. There are plenty of criminals That's why state and local LEOs assigned to Federal Task forces are a valuable asset. They can handle the case if there is an equivalent state law. Their agency benefits from seized asset sharing. Win all around.

I wouldn't buy a new one. They are way overpriced IMO. I want one with a 3 1/2" barrel. They don't make those anymore.

LYou also have to consider the area you are covering. Large area I'd go for gas unless you have multiple batteries so you can always have one charged. A small area can be taken care of with a plug in electric and 100 ft extension cord. Always ready to go. No worries about having gas on hand or charged batteries. I have all three. Which I use depends on what I'm doing and the area I have to cover.

Ray, I'll meet you halfway. My Holy Grail revolver is a 3 1/2" Model 27. I should have bought when I could get it new for about $200. Back on topic. Has Hellen Wate planned a Zeke for Mod rally?

I know it can be done.

4" is a bit easier to conceal but you can hide a 6" contrary to what many might think.

That would be a different story. A local guy would have no reason to send a check and not do a ftf. If ATF doesn't do anything there's a few things you need to be aware of. Unless they have this guy doing this multiple times they're going to do an "open and close", "no prosecutorial merit". While many think ATF Agents sit around making cases on some guy in NJ giving a shotgun to hIs brother in PA that's not the case. So many agents, only so much time, you want to go after that guy or some guy who's run 100 guns into Newark from souther states. Which would you think merits more effort? Local PD, even NJSP, have no jurisdiction out of state.

Because they don't have jurisdiction to deal with it.

I hope so. Ray and I are advocates of the 4" 357 as the best all around handgun. I may need some backing.

Ray, did I offend you?

Zeke, don't think I'm pulling out my support for Mrs Zeke.

Zeke, I told you I wasn't going to make it but I might be there. I will try to leave the Bastille Day event I'm attending. I would't want to miss the biggest political event of the century. Bigger than Trump's win! Maybe I'll be asked to comment by Meghan McCain or Kennedy as i"m sure Fox News will be there.

I wouldn't call it goofy. If you need a rifle that breaks down to fit in the shortest possible case a folding rifle makes sense. Most of these folding rifles fold down to 16" or a bit more, the length of the barrel.

I agree. This is like the Kel Tec Sub 2000. A folding or collapsible stock makes the rifle shorter but it can still be fired. This with a fixed stock or the Kel Tec can't be fired when folded.

Happy Birthday Ray, you don't get older just more experienced.

Having met them I'm in for a Mrs Zeke for Mod campaign. If she takes care of Zeke she can easily take care of a forum.