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The Yale study and More Guns, Less Crime are by John Lott. These and other works by lot are excellent resources not only because of the facts and statistics but also the fact that as a academic Lott has everything properly researched. Much better than any op ed piece in academia's eyes. 10USC311 defines everyone 17 to 45 who isn't in the military as a member of the unorganized militia. A common argument used by the anti gun crowd is the 2A means the National Guard. The first counter to this is to use academic standards. The men who wrote the Constitution and Bill of Rights were among the most highly educated men of their time. They knew the importance of proper punctuation. The comma, as any writer's guide will tell you, is used to separate things. There are differences in the punctuation used in the 2A as passed by Congress and ratified by the states and authenticated by Thomas Jefferson, Secretary of State. However, both versions had a comma between "...the security of a free state" and "the right of the people to keep and bear arms" indicating the keeping and bearing of arms by the people has nothing to do with the militia, or the security of the state for that matter. Article I, Section 8 provides for the formation and arming the militia (National Guard) so there is no need for an Amendment to do so. There was a need for an Amendment to ensure the people would be armed. The states wanted the Bill of Rights, the first 10 Amendments, to specifically guarantee things not spelled out in the Constitution. Right after freedom of speech, religion, the press, and assembly they wanted the people's right to keep and bear arms protected. This apparently was more important to them than fair trials, illegal government searches, self incrimination, and all the stuff covered in the next 8 Amendments. The anti-gun crowd also argues that the 2A was written to protect the right of the people to keep arms in common usage at the time. To them that means flintlocks and not ARs, pump or semi shotguns, or modern handguns or other arms in common usage. My response to this is very simple. Using the same logic they would say the 1A doesn't protect radio, tv, or the internet only speech and print media The Constitution would be a good place to start your argument as it shows how important gun ownership was in the founding of this country.

There is a requirement to possess a FID, PPP, carry permit, or LE ID to acquire handgun ammo in NJ (2C:58-3.3). There is no law regarding possession of handgun ammunition in NJ unless you are a prohibited person. There is no requirement to show anything to buy handgun ammo in PA. Please explain your logic that if you didn't have a NJFID what would you be charged with in NJ? Your acquisition of handgun ammo in PA is totally legal as is possession in NJ.

This is NJ law which does not apply out of the state. If you acquire a pre 1898 handgun or black powder handgun in a state which follows Federal law, which treats neither as a firearm, that's a legal acquisition. NJ cannot dictate acquisition laws for antique or BP guns for NJ residents in other states. That is for the actual state of purchase and the Federal government to do. Being Federal law has no restrictions on pre 1898 guns you don't have to purchase them from a dealer you can buy them from an individual as long as the state law mirrors the Federal law. Using your logic you have broken the law when you buy that handgun ammo in Wal Mart in PA because they didn't make you show your NJFID. NJ can only make laws that apply to things within its borders, the same as any other state.

You fail to understand that different drugs are more effective at killing different types of pain. Going up the scale opium and morphine were developed as better broad band painkillers when marijuana use was legal back in the 19th century. If marijuana were such a fantastic painkiller it would have been used instead of opium or morphine. Opium is as natural a product as marijuana. Morphine and heroin are refined versions. Heroin was invented as a cure to morphine addiction. Methadone, the first synthetic narcotic, was invented by the Germans during WWII when they couldn't get opium to make morphine. There is no government plot to kill people with synthetic narcotics. I really want to know where you got that one. Marijuana has been used as a gateway drug for a lot more heroin addicts than synthetic narcotics. I've heard from more than one DEA chemist that they feel most of deaths from what are called "overdoses" are actually severe allergic reactions to cutting agents. I've seen lab reports of street heroin containing rat poison and insecticides, obviously things that were not meant to be injected into your bloodstream. Your assertion that marijuana has never killed anyone is totally false. I'm not saying you can overdose on marijuana (because you can't) but more than one fatal car accident has been caused by someone well smoked up. Yes, many more fatal accidents are caused by alcohol and I'm by no means defending that. I'm against adding another substance that's easily abused. There are many who will say "I've only smoked a couple of joints, I'm okay to drive". I find it interesting the number of people who won't touch a cigarette and are rabid anti-smokers who smoke marijuana on a regular basis. Nicotine is very addictive but I've never heard of a car accident caused by someone under the influence of a Marlboro. I'm not against medical use of what are generally considered illicit drugs. Legal heroin use in England is one example. Terminal cancer patients are able to do things in their last days that their pain would prevent them from doing. Their is no better painkiller around than heroin AFAIK. They don't get high as the pain "eats up" the high as I understand it. There is no faking the types of medical conditions it is prescribed for. I am also aware that you can be a legal addict in the UK. This is a "nanny state" policy AFAIC as with the control they use it cost over $20,000 a year to maintain a sick person or a junkie in the UK. I'm all for easing a sick person's pain but not for maintaining a junkie. I find it hard to believe that in the spectrum of painkillers from aspirin to heroin there is not something that in there already that marijuana is better at. The problem with medical marijuana is it just "legalizes" something else to abuse. I have seen this first hand in CO. You can go to any medical marijuana store and they can provide you with list of ailments and symptoms (you can find this on the internet). They will also refer you to doctors who will write you a prescription withoit any exam whatsoever. How is this different than going to an unscrupulous doctor and getting a prescription for vicodon or oxycondone? I'm sure there are some valid medical uses for marijuana. I just can't believe that it is the "wonder drug" that the recreational marijuana crowd claim.

Not so. Another example is M2 carbine parts. Most M2 parts are used as totally legal replacements on a M1 carbine. There are only 2 or 3 parts that have use only in a M2. IIRC possession of a full M2 kit constitutes a NFA violation. Possession of a carbine is not required.

FWIW the good guy made at least three good moves: 1. He had a gun. 2. He waited until the BG had his back turned to make his move. 3. He didn't take a lot of time to make a decision and once he did he didn't back down.

You need to reread my posts here. I said it worked out okay. It worked out because the bad guys chose not to fight, because they decided to run, and a bunch of others reasons. If some want to just pat the good guy on the back and high five him without looking at what was done wrong and not mention how it could have been done better, fine. If you do this those mistakes are bound to bite you in the a** some day. The agency I worked for used to do business like this until an agent wound up in a wheelchair for the rest of his life due to a series of mistakes that could have been avoided with proper planning and execution. So yeah I "Monday morning quaterback" but I've actually been there, done that, and been responsible for peoples well being.

Agree 100% with your M14 comments having carried one over most of Ft Dix, parts of Vietnam (until we got M16s), and parts of Germany. The 1911 is a good platform as long as you're willing to do the training involved. Going to SOCOM, they will do the training. The contract may have been the result of "let's throw some business to Colt" which happens in spite of testing. I still think the M9 is better for general issue to the troops.

Yes it is but doing an after action is how we learn to do things better. However, if you don't critique an operation you'll be condemned to repeating any mistakes you've made. The Army (and a lot of LE agencies) has required an after action critique. What you did right, what you did wrong, what to sustain, and what you need to improve. You also have to be truthful to yourself and admit what you did wrong or could have done better. I've made mistakes and admitted them and I've seen Generals admit mistakes. I made lieutenant colonel but I made a lot of mistakes getting there. Don't know anyone who hasn't. "Only a fool learns by their own mistakes, I learn by the mistakes of others", is credited to Bismarck and others. I spent over 30 years as a LEO. I don't know if I would make a blanket statement about criminals being cowards. LEOs get in all kinds of fights with criminals on a regular basis. Even those that may be cowards can decide to fight if cornered.

Good that it all worked out okay. However, it was kind of reckless to get up and start shooting with all those people around. If the bad guys started shooting back its very likely someone would have been hit. Yes, it would have been the bad guys fault but would you want to live with the fact an innocent person is dead from a bullet meant for you? I realize to some this is a CCWers "dream", take out the bad guys during a robbery and be the hero. Sometimes the best thing is to do is draw and start shooting. I don't think this was one of them. Moreso, dealing with two cretins. Old guys can move pretty good because we have learned how to conserve our energy. Its great that everything worked out okay but this video is not an example of how to do things.

It would help if you told us what model Marlin. Did you try Numrich? Even if they don't have it catalogued give them a call. Many times they don't have enough of an item to catalog it but will find it if you call.

You cannot buy guns on the premises. You can make a deal on a gun but the actual transfer has to occur at a FFL's place of business or elsewhere for a non-FFL.

I found there are a few regulars that are hard core, narrow minded extremists on that forum. They believe in 2A rights for themselves and believe if they can't carry on their PA permit in another state that anyone from that state is a godless communist taking adavantage of the law in PA. Why would a true supporter of the 2A spend the time and effort to try and prove someone with a valid permit from another state transport to that state to carry? Or verbally assault any resident of another state that open carries in PA? Never, ever refer to a PA "License to Carry Firearms" as a carry permit or anything but a LTCF. You will be corrected quickly. There are a lot of nice people on that forum but there is that element that spoils it

Ray, I started downloading AR mags by two back in 1968 and still do now. I have found that even from the same manufacturer some will allow you to insert it fully loaded with the bolt forward and some wouldn't. The agency I worked for adopted Glocks (17,19, and 26) in 1998. I retired in 2005 and during the 7 years we went through 3 different versions of G19 magazines. Add the original without the steel liner and that makes four types I had experience with. Each one was supposed to be an improvement over the prior but AFAIC they all worked well in the gun. The only exceptions were the originals wouldn't always drop free and the last versions were so tight that many, even after a break in period, would only hold 14. These observations were based on seeing about 3-400 Glocks four times a year and each agent with at least 3 magazines so that's 900-1200 magazines. Even before the new magazines I usually downloaded by one in any magazine over 10 rds (and my Glock 30) as I felt the ease of reloading outweighed the round I lost in capacity. I wouldn't be cutting down followers as I figure the engineers at the factory figured out what dimensions they should be.

John Lott (author of the Yale study) has been around for a some time. He was at University of Chicago Law School (when Obama was teaching there) when he published his first work ""More Guns, Less Crime" in the 90s followed by "The Bias Against Guns" in 2003. When he published his first work he said he had no agenda,and was just for looking for the truth. He's attacked by the anti-gun people because he's one of the few academics that supports gun rights. The video only proves what can happen with minimal training. As far as the "expert" from the Bethlehem PD (who seems happy that he's going to be on TV) comment about losing your training after a month or two that depends on the nature and extent of your training. Is he saying a Navy SEAL has to be totally retrained if he gets hurt and spends a few months in the hospital and recuperating? Yeah I picked an extreme as an example to make the point that he's full of it.

Tony FWIW I used to dive for lobster in Shark River and Manasquan Inlets 40 years ago. It wasn't common but not unusual to se a 5-6 shark, sometimes a Hammerhead headed inbound from the ocean. How do I know they were 5-6'? Because they looked 10-12' when they just kind of appeared with 10'-15' (or less) visibility.

No one mentioned this so I will. You can legally transport your handgun between any combination of home or either of the shops if you own them. Normal rules, unloaded, locked up in trunk, no unreasonable deviations from route, etc, apply.

IIRC the prosecutor brought up the fact that Fish had a 10mm and ready for this, remember this is AZ, used hollowpoints. The Fish shooting was before AZ passed its stand your ground law. What saved Fish was that there was certain evidence the judge did not allow and the AZ Supreme Court said the stand your ground law should have been retproactive. Fish being found not guilty does not prevent the assailant's family from pursuing a civil suit. Remember OJ Simpson? A good attorney prosecuting a civil case will bring up what color socks a shooter had on if it will help his case. What makes you think he won't attack the ammo you used. There was also a case in NJ Ayoob talks about where GSR was used to convict a murderer. Once again IIRC, the murderer claimed the victim commited suicide but GSR testing proved the victim would have had to have arms 6' long not to leave GSR.

Vlad, no one is saying anyone will be prosecuted for using handloads. If you look my first post in this thread I said "if you shoot someone theyre shot". If you are in a courtroom and they are discussing what type of ammo you used you have bigger trobules. The point is you can take any adavantage the prosecutor has in the matter and perhaps turn it to your advantage by using factory ammo. A clear cut good shoot is a good shoot whether you do it with factory ammo, handloads, or an 8" howitzer.

He has to answer those questions that way in NJ if he wants to get elected. Keep in mind as a US Senator he has no vote on state gun laws and most controversal votes in the Senate are along party lines. The fact that he says the state laws are good as they are are better than Menendez who would have no one owning guns. The only way to see what he'll do is to gethim elected. If he is as bad as Menendez nothing gained but if he does one tbing toward gun rights its a gain. The C can only help not hurt if Menendez is the other choice.

The fact is there are probably several times the number of guys who deserve the honor but no one saw what they did. The Army Times recently ran an article on how cheap the services are with the MOH in Iraq and Afghanistan. They ran citations of personnel that were awarded the DSC/Navy Cross/Silver Star recently vs citations of people who did similar things in other wars. They all should have gotten the MOH. A friend of mine was a Marine Infantry company commander in Vietnam. He told me that Marines were getting so many Purple Hearts the policy was adopted (on what level of command I'm not sure) that the wound had to require MEDEVAC to get a Purple Heart. If the Corpsman (not corpseman President Obama) treated it in the field no Purple Heart. When he rotated out of the field to work as the battalion adjutant he was told to deny most award recommendations. When he asked the battalion commander why he was told "they're Marines they're supposed to be doing that above and beyond s***". A couple of years ago I met a Marine Captain at an affair. When my wife told him I was a Lieutenant Colonel in the Army Reserve he became more formal calling me sir and my wife ma'am. That's the way Marines are. I commented that although I was an Army guy the Marines had the best song and the best dress uniform he responde with "its not the uniform its the men that fill them". Eleanor Roosevelt said during WWII "the Marines I have seen around the world have the cleanest bodies, the filthiest minds, the highest morale, and the lowest morals of any group of animals I have ever seen. Thank God for the United States Marine.

Being there are folks who get their permit in 2-3 weeks through the local PD I'd say its the barracks not Trenton.

If you send NJSP and the local PD their copy it is highly unlikely they both would be lost. You still have you copy to CYA. I've used regular mail for about 40 years and have had no problems. If it makes you feel better send certified. I don't see a need for it.

Well yes...and no. If they test your ammo they will get results but there would still be some doubt if that was actually shot. First of all it would require you to testfy in regards to the ammo. The prosecutor could ask you "you say the charge was 5.0 grs, could it have been 4,5 or 6.0". The only way you could prove what the charge was is if someone witnessed you load the rounds, loaded your gun and stayed with you at all times to ensure that was the round you fired or mark the rounds. Not a very practical solution. The prosecutor has to prove your guilt and its usually a bad idea for the defendant to testify, even if he's innocent. The ammunition issues can all be addressed by using factory ammo. Or the other hand, if you are claiming self defense somewhere along the line there has to be evidence and/or testimony that you are the one who shot the bad guy. If there were no witnesses that would have to be you. There is no easy answer to how to deal with a SD shooting but the easy answer to avoid ammo issues is to use factory ammo.

Bob, with all due respect, you are correct that GSR patterns (also called tattooing) are a close range phenomena. That's why I said 5'. GSR generally is left in the 3-5' range but can be a bit further depending on caliber used. If can be farther than 5'. Most calibers used for SD will get to that 5' mark. If you're carrying a 22 with CB caps it won't. Your argument about how do they know its factory ammo. if your gun is loaded with RP 158 SWC catalog ABC123 forensics can show: 1. The bullet is RP as determined by style and alloy. 2. Powder residue in the case is consistent with powder used for that load. 3. There are no resizing marks on the case. 4. Crimp marks are consistent with factory sample. 5. A primer sealant, if used, will not have been disturbed comparing it to a factory sample. The only thing they can't show is the powder charge but unless you somehow pulled the bullet and changed the powder charge they can be pretty sure even if you load your gun with 6 different types of ammo. I usually carry factory wadcutters in j frame revolvers. You are correct in saying they don't expand much if at all and they will penetrate soft tissue well. However, a wadcutter is already in an efficient shape that a hollowpoint has to expand a bit to get to. You are counting on that expansion in a JHP and it may not happen for a bunch of reasons. In soft tissue a wadcutter will tend to just cut its way through. Jim Cirillo spend a lot of time in the quest for the magic bullet and most of his designs looked like a wadcutter. As far as penetration in a hard object goes I have seen 125 gr +P JHPS penetrate one side of a mailbox from a 2". Lead bullets only dented it.